1 Nov 04 16:03:05 <API>	well, people its meeting time
   2 Nov 04 16:03:26 <slee>	api: hi
   3 Nov 04 16:03:36 <clown>	hi API (I made it).
   4 Nov 04 16:03:40 <API>	slee, hi, good to see that you are still alive ;)
   5 Nov 04 16:03:50 *	clown waves at everyone.
   6 Nov 04 16:04:00 *	joanie nods hello
   7 Nov 04 16:04:05 <slee>	yeah, thanks, been pretty busy elsewhere
   8 Nov 04 16:04:18 <slee>	but GNOME always on my mind 
   9 Nov 04 16:04:52 *	API we should made a elvis cover introducing GNOME on the lyrics
  10 Nov 04 16:04:54 <API>	anyway
  11 Nov 04 16:04:57 <API>	lets start
  12 Nov 04 16:05:06 *	API checking agenda
  13 Nov 04 16:05:12 <API>	1.Unity and GNOME 3.0 (hoping TheMuso or Penelope to be there) 
  14 Nov 04 16:05:22 <API>	so TheMuso and Pendulum are you here?
  15 Nov 04 16:05:41 <API>	on the previous meeting we made a summary
  16 Nov 04 16:05:44 *	mchua is here, working with heidi's class on figuring out how to get their caribou work more integrated into the gnome community.
  17 Nov 04 16:05:48 <API>	of the state
  18 Nov 04 16:05:59 <API>	of Unity
  19 Nov 04 16:06:11 <mchua>	<-- Red Hatter, not usually a GNOME person but helps get college classrooms into the culture of FOSS, so I'm here this week & next
  20 Nov 04 16:06:14 *	mchua sits back and listens
  21 Nov 04 16:06:34 <API>	mchua, awesome, we would try to talk about it on the "reminders" section
  22 Nov 04 16:06:34 *	heidi Heidi is also here to learn more about the hackathon and GNOME things
  23 Nov 04 16:06:39 <API>	we included that on the agenda
  24 Nov 04 16:06:41 *	jpwhiting (~jeremy@75-169-192-108.slkc.qwest.net) has joined #a11y
  25 Nov 04 16:06:48 <heidi>	THank you!
  26 Nov 04 16:07:05 *	korn1 (~korn@75-25-140-220.lightspeed.okldca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #a11y
  27 Nov 04 16:07:23 <joanie>	http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20101028#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting
  28 Nov 04 16:07:50 <API>	where this "next meeting" is the current one ;)
  29 Nov 04 16:08:10 <API>	well, it seems that TheMuso and Pendulum are not here
  30 Nov 04 16:08:22 <API>	so just mention, that I still have on my TODO create a wiki page
  31 Nov 04 16:08:31 <API>	to a11y things that are needed to track
  32 Nov 04 16:08:41 <API>	but not directly gnome 3.0 issues
  33 Nov 04 16:08:52 <API>	next item on agenda
  34 Nov 04 16:08:54 <API>	Bastien Nocera mail about loading gtk modules (correct bugzilla?) 
  35 Nov 04 16:09:00 <API>	mgorse, you here?
  36 Nov 04 16:09:28 <mgorse>	I'm here
  37 Nov 04 16:09:42 <fer>	ey
  38 Nov 04 16:09:58 <API>	mgorse, have you seen Bastien mails and bugs?
  39 Nov 04 16:10:21 <API>	btw, gnome bugzilla is the proper place to create bugs for at-spi2?
  40 Nov 04 16:10:44 <mgorse>	Good question. Are his bugs on there?
  41 Nov 04 16:11:54 <API>	Bastien created all those bugs on gnome bugzilla
  42 Nov 04 16:12:18 <API>	this is the at-spi-atk one:
  43 Nov 04 16:12:20 <API>	https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633194
  44 Nov 04 16:13:36 <API>	so mgorse, independently of require to decide the correct bugzilla
  45 Nov 04 16:14:01 <API>	will you have time to review those bugs?
  46 Nov 04 16:14:22 <mgorse>	Okay; I'll take a look. Thanks for the pointer.
  47 Nov 04 16:15:00 <API>	mgorse, the mail is this one:
  48 Nov 04 16:15:03 <API>	http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-devel/2010-October/msg00014.html
  49 Nov 04 16:15:10 <Pendulum>	oops. sorry I'm here, just forgot I was on IRC
  50 Nov 04 16:15:28 <API>	mgorse, other question: atk2 bugs are for gnome bugzilla right?
  51 Nov 04 16:16:35 <mgorse>	I guess so
  52 Nov 04 16:16:42 <mgorse>	Are we upping the atk version to 2.0?
  53 Nov 04 16:17:31 <API>	mgorse, ups sorry
  54 Nov 04 16:17:35 <API>	you are right 
  55 Nov 04 16:17:38 <API>	atk is 1.XX
  56 Nov 04 16:17:54 <API>	too  used to have this 2.XXX on all gnome modules
  57 Nov 04 16:18:02 <mgorse>	Anyway, I think that we should just move the at-spi bugizlla to bgo, since people are going to file bugs there anyway. I'll plan on figuring out how to do that at the summit.
  58 Nov 04 16:18:40 <API>	mgorse, ok, thanks
  59 Nov 04 16:18:55 <API>	I guess that it could be ask to bgo for another component
  60 Nov 04 16:19:03 <OgMaciel>	mgorse: not to distract everyone from the topic, but will you be at the Boston Summit?
  61 Nov 04 16:19:03 <API>	sorry, another product
  62 Nov 04 16:19:11 <API>	or just add other compoinet on the current at-spi
  63 Nov 04 16:19:12 <mgorse>	OgMaciel: yes
  64 Nov 04 16:19:24 <OgMaciel>	mgorse: cool! Maybe we can get together then
  65 Nov 04 16:19:24 <API>	OgMaciel, http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20101028#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting
  66 Nov 04 16:19:30 <API>	there are a point for boston summit
  67 Nov 04 16:19:41 *	OgMaciel reads
  68 Nov 04 16:19:49 <API>	ok, thanks mgorse 
  69 Nov 04 16:19:53 <API>	Pendulum, as you are here
  70 Nov 04 16:20:01 <API>	the Unity point was just here to ask
  71 Nov 04 16:20:14 <API>	if there are anything else you want to add
  72 Nov 04 16:20:23 <API>	you= TheMuso 
  73 Nov 04 16:20:26 <API>	+ Pendulum 
  74 Nov 04 16:20:36 <Pendulum>	do you want just an overview of the current plan?
  75 Nov 04 16:21:17 <API>	well, there are a summary on the previous meeting
  76 Nov 04 16:21:28 <API>	http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20101028#Unity
  77 Nov 04 16:21:36 <API>	Pendulum, we forgot something?
  78 Nov 04 16:22:17 <Pendulum>	not that i'm seeing, but I can give mini updates on a couple bits
  79 Nov 04 16:22:30 <Pendulum>	last week we were being told the compiz port should be done in the next 2 weeks
  80 Nov 04 16:22:46 <Pendulum>	so that should be done very soon
  81 Nov 04 16:23:41 <Pendulum>	the general desktop team is going to be working on things like keyboard navigation (which unity currently doesn't support) so that Luke can really focus on the accessibility framework. They've also assigned a person to work with him, but I honestly can't remember the guy's name
  82 Nov 04 16:24:12 <Pendulum>	and I'm going to be coordinating all the testing/documentation/whatever else is needed so that Luke can mostly concentrate on devel
  83 Nov 04 16:24:35 *	slee thanks Penelope for being liason with Ubuntu
  84 Nov 04 16:24:38 <API>	Pendulum, ok, thanks for the update
  85 Nov 04 16:24:46 <API>	I think that we can move to 3.
  86 Nov 04 16:24:47 <Pendulum>	we are going to try to work it so that he can make the 7:00 UTC meetings and I make the 15:00 ones here, but we'll see what happens
  87 Nov 04 16:25:00 <Pendulum>	you're welcome :)
  88 Nov 04 16:25:13 <Pendulum>	and I'm pretty easy to find and poke if anyone has other questions/requests/etc.
  89 Nov 04 16:25:14 <API>	well, one of the reason of the flip-flop timetable
  90 Nov 04 16:25:19 <API>	is allow that at least
  91 Nov 04 16:25:30 <API>	all people can attend 2 meetings per month
  92 Nov 04 16:25:35 <Pendulum>	yeah
  93 Nov 04 16:25:40 <API>	Pendulum, thanks
  94 Nov 04 16:25:44 <API>	so moving
  95 Nov 04 16:25:48 <API>	3. Port to gsettings 
  96 Nov 04 16:25:55 <API>	this is related to Bastien mail
  97 Nov 04 16:26:02 <API>	as you know there are a plan
  98 Nov 04 16:26:09 <API>	to move from gconf to gsettings
  99 Nov 04 16:26:13 <API>	so this point is just a update
 100 Nov 04 16:26:17 <API>	and a question
 101 Nov 04 16:26:27 <API>	joanie, how about your plans on orca
 102 Nov 04 16:26:28 <API>	?
 103 Nov 04 16:26:43 <joanie>	it's on aleiva's to-do list
 104 Nov 04 16:26:56 <joanie>	they are finishing up the work on profiles
 105 Nov 04 16:27:01 <joanie>	which includes a gconf backend
 106 Nov 04 16:27:15 <joanie>	and the other, related work is next after that as I understand it
 107 Nov 04 16:27:18 *	joanie pokes aleiva
 108 Nov 04 16:28:40 <joanie>	API well, I'm thinking aleiva is away from his desk and/or preparing to come to Boston
 109 Nov 04 16:28:45 <API>	joanie, ok
 110 Nov 04 16:28:47 <joanie>	so I will get a status update out of Ale
 111 Nov 04 16:28:52 <joanie>	but let's move on
 112 Nov 04 16:28:55 <API>	mgorse, any plan on at-spi2 to move to gsettings?
 113 Nov 04 16:29:22 <API>	although probably the problem is that you have enough work on your own...
 114 Nov 04 16:30:12 <mgorse>	API: I should probably look into that for 2.31.2. I wonder if we also want to port at-spi-corba
 115 Nov 04 16:30:40 <API>	mgorse, this is a good question...
 116 Nov 04 16:30:45 <mgorse>	Need to look and figure out if we have an accessibility key defined for gsettings somewhere
 117 Nov 04 16:30:58 <API>	there are a exact plan of at-spi and at-spi2 cohabitation for the future months?
 118 Nov 04 16:31:37 <mgorse>	gconf was being used to enable at-spi-corba, so they should probaby be done together in case someone wants to use the CORBA version
 119 Nov 04 16:31:47 *	davidb (~dtb@mozca02.ca.mozilla.com) has joined #a11y
 120 Nov 04 16:32:11 <fer>	are distros shipping GNOME 3 supposed to ship at-spi-corba?
 121 Nov 04 16:32:43 <clown>	mgorse, API:  not sure if this is relevant, but ... gnome-shell is distributing a set of gsettings schemas that have "a11y" in their names.
 122 Nov 04 16:33:23 <mgorse>	fer: it's deprecated, so I guess the plan is for it not to be needed, but I see no reason it shouldn't still be around in case a distribution wants the option of packaging it
 123 Nov 04 16:33:28 <API>	clown, hmmm, probably related with the accessibility item that they added on the top panel
 124 Nov 04 16:33:33 <clown>	names like "...a11y.applications", ...a11y.keyboard, and ..a11y.mouse
 125 Nov 04 16:33:37 <mgorse>	I'm not sure if Ubuntu will continue to use it by default in its next release, for instance
 126 Nov 04 16:33:44 <clown>	API, quite possibly.
 127 Nov 04 16:33:58 *	clown looking at one of them.
 128 Nov 04 16:34:02 <API>	well, people, I guess that there are a lot of doubts here
 129 Nov 04 16:34:09 <API>	so lets close this point as
 130 Nov 04 16:34:27 <fer>	mgorse: I am asking just to know if it is worth the effort to port it to gsettings
 131 Nov 04 16:34:27 <API>	"we need to investigate that, hope to give an update on the next meeting"
 132 Nov 04 16:34:59 <mgorse>	fer: I think it depends on how much work it would be. There are only one or two gconf keys that at-spi uses, though
 133 Nov 04 16:35:44 *	clown notes that the keyboard schema has preferences for bounce keys, sticky keys, mouse keys, and so on.
 134 Nov 04 16:35:58 <API>	ok, guys, anything else? or we could move to next point
 135 Nov 04 16:36:13 <API>	as I said, the weekly meeting is not the moment to investigate things
 136 Nov 04 16:36:34 <API>	lets say that due this weekly meeting we will try to answer all these questions
 137 Nov 04 16:36:36 <API>	deal?
 138 Nov 04 16:36:46 <clown>	fine with me
 139 Nov 04 16:37:07 <API>	ok, next point
 140 Nov 04 16:37:14 <API>	Google Code-in (hoping Bryen to be there) 
 141 Nov 04 16:37:18 <API>	Bryen are you here?
 142 Nov 04 16:38:21 *	OgMaciel steps out for a few
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 144 Nov 04 16:39:20 <API>	well, as we are somewhat out of time
 145 Nov 04 16:39:23 <API>	next item
 146 Nov 04 16:39:28 <API>	5. Boston Summit 
 147 Nov 04 16:40:06 <API>	I guess that mgorse joanie aleiva will be there
 148 Nov 04 16:40:10 <API>	heidi?
 149 Nov 04 16:40:20 <API>	I forgot someone?
 150 Nov 04 16:40:26 *	clown won't be there :-(
 151 Nov 04 16:41:35 *	fer neither
 152 Nov 04 16:41:51 <heidi>	API: Hi
 153 Nov 04 16:41:58 <heidi>	Yes, I'll be there!
 154 Nov 04 16:42:00 *	joanie frowns at both clown and fer -- and API to boot! -- for not coming
 155 Nov 04 16:42:04 <heidi>	And current count is six students
 156 Nov 04 16:42:25 <Pendulum>	I was going to try, but I think I'm not going to go in efforts to keep others from getting my ubuflu
 157 Nov 04 16:42:50 <mchua>	I'll be there to help be a hackathon guide for Heidi's students, as will sdziallas (who does similar work to me & is also in the Boston area)
 158 Nov 04 16:42:59 *	joanie notes that 'ubuflu' sounds even better than 'martian death flu'
 159 Nov 04 16:43:17 <mchua>	(basically, helping them get used to bug trackers, git, etc. so they know the rhythms of how open source dev works, since we aren't GNOME hackers ourselves)
 160 Nov 04 16:43:23 <mchua>	(we're Fedora people)
 161 Nov 04 16:43:35 <joanie>	that's awesome mchua
 162 Nov 04 16:44:21 *	mchua is hoping to help the wnec students set themselves up as "the caribou experts" so y'all know how to draw on them as a node of awesomeness in GNOME-land, and they'll be able to communicate with you remotely and make things happen.
 163 Nov 04 16:44:54 <mchua>	it seems like the culture/communication learning is what needs to happen, because there's a huge willingness to hack here, it's mostly getting the group in the loop and used to working within a FOSS community instead of just within a classroom.
 164 Nov 04 16:45:05 <mchua>	but Heidi's got them learning about irc, etc. so they're off to a really good start, from what I've seen.
 165 Nov 04 16:45:52 <slee>	mchua: awesome indeed
 166 Nov 04 16:46:14 <slee>	yay!
 167 Nov 04 16:47:07 <clown>	Heidi, I received an email from a student named Kyle Kurtenbach whose interested in working on Caribou, but is looking for directions.  I'm tempted to forward the email to you -- is that okay?
 168 Nov 04 16:47:18 <joanie>	API btw, I think aleiva's main reason for adding that agenda item was just to see if there's things that we (who will be in attendance) should do or say (e.g. on behalf of the rest of the team who is not)
 169 Nov 04 16:47:21 <heidi>	clown: Absolutely!
 170 Nov 04 16:47:33 <clown>	heidi, email address?
 171 Nov 04 16:47:34 *	OgMaciel is back
 172 Nov 04 16:47:43 <heidi>	:-) Oh, that would be helpful:  hellis@wnec.edu
 173 Nov 04 16:47:59 <OgMaciel>	about the summit, I was wondering if there's anything the Board can do to help out with a11y
 174 Nov 04 16:48:30 <clown>	heidi, thanks!  And, I'll reply to him saying that you might contact him -- any objection to my giving him your email?
 175 Nov 04 16:48:53 <joanie>	OgMaciel: Since you and Brian Cameron and Stormy will all be there, it might be worth us meeting at some point during the summit
 176 Nov 04 16:48:56 <heidi>	Please do give him my email.
 177 Nov 04 16:49:04 <OgMaciel>	joanie: sounds good!
 178 Nov 04 16:49:09 <clown>	heidi, awesome!
 179 Nov 04 16:49:17 <heidi>	I like students! 
 180 Nov 04 16:49:19 <OgMaciel>	joanie: I'm arriving Saturday morning and staying until Sunday evening
 181 Nov 04 16:49:39 <joanie>	OgMaciel: So noted. Thank you.
 182 Nov 04 16:50:51 <API>	well, people almost 10 min talking about Boston Summit
 183 Nov 04 16:50:54 <OgMaciel>	joanie: it will be my pleasure to help. Please introduce yourself to me when you see me
 184 Nov 04 16:50:57 <aleiva>	bac
 185 Nov 04 16:50:58 <API>	any other comments, questions and so on?
 186 Nov 04 16:51:00 <aleiva>	back
 187 Nov 04 16:51:07 <aleiva>	well, flip-flop is also bad for me ;-)
 188 Nov 04 16:51:07 <joanie>	lol aleiva hey
 189 Nov 04 16:51:10 <OgMaciel>	I'm easy to spot: only board member on crutches :)
 190 Nov 04 16:51:11 *	clown waves at aleiva
 191 Nov 04 16:51:28 <aleiva>	clown: :-)
 192 Nov 04 16:51:32 <joanie>	OgMaciel: I'm easier to spot: I'm female and at a gnome event
 193 Nov 04 16:51:37 <aleiva>	sorry group
 194 Nov 04 16:51:39 <OgMaciel>	hehehe
 195 Nov 04 16:51:56 <clown>	joanie:  lol
 196 Nov 04 16:51:58 <API>	aleiva, we were just finishing the Boston Summit item
 197 Nov 04 16:52:05 <API>	the one you proposed last week ;)
 198 Nov 04 16:52:06 <aleiva>	API: I'm reading the buffer
 199 Nov 04 16:52:10 <API>	you want to add something?
 200 Nov 04 16:52:20 <aleiva>	API: yeah, sorry I really wanted to attend this meeting
 201 Nov 04 16:52:33 <API>	aleiva, no problem
 202 Nov 04 16:53:02 <aleiva>	16:47 < joanie> API btw, I think aleiva's main reason for adding that agenda item was just to see if there's things that we (who will be in attendance) should do or say (e.g. on behalf of the  rest of the team who is not)
 203 Nov 04 16:53:15 <aleiva>	that's exactly what I want with the boston item
 204 Nov 04 16:53:34 <API>	ok, I guess that the mission was a success
 205 Nov 04 16:53:40 <aleiva>	we need something as group to do at boston with other developers/groups?
 206 Nov 04 16:54:10 <API>	well, gnome shell developers asked us if we are going to be there
 207 Nov 04 16:54:13 <OgMaciel>	meet with the board
 208 Nov 04 16:54:16 <API>	due this "orca integration thing"
 209 Nov 04 16:54:29 <API>	so joanie can talk with Mccan
 210 Nov 04 16:54:36 <aleiva>	API: yes, I'm going to mail them to meet in the summit or later
 211 Nov 04 16:54:38 *	API not sure if this is the correct spelling
 212 Nov 04 16:54:44 <API>	and the board yes
 213 Nov 04 16:54:47 <aleiva>	we need to resolve the gnome-shell thing
 214 Nov 04 16:55:04 <clown>	you mean the gnome-shell/orca thing?  
 215 Nov 04 16:55:09 <aleiva>	clown: absolutely
 216 Nov 04 16:55:26 *	clown notes that gnome-shell is big, and actually many things.
 217 Nov 04 16:55:48 <API>	yes it is behaving like an ameba, eating all
 218 Nov 04 16:55:50 *	clown thanks aleiva for the clarification
 219 Nov 04 16:55:51 <aleiva>	clown: yes there's some issues about integration
 220 Nov 04 16:55:51 <API>	anyway
 221 Nov 04 16:56:05 <API>	I think that we should close the boston summit item
 222 Nov 04 16:56:14 <aleiva>	ok, good for me
 223 Nov 04 16:56:28 <API>	6. GNOME 3.0 updates 
 224 Nov 04 16:56:34 <aleiva>	I'll use minutes and info from joanie, thanks for managing this
 225 Nov 04 16:56:40 <API>	well, joanie is starting to sort the page
 226 Nov 04 16:56:49 <API>	not time for full review
 227 Nov 04 16:56:50 <joanie>	almost done actually
 228 Nov 04 16:56:51 <joanie>	:-)
 229 Nov 04 16:56:57 <joanie>	but not quite
 230 Nov 04 16:57:00 <API>	8. Reminders:
 231 Nov 04 16:57:00 <API>	    *
 232 Nov 04 16:57:00 <API>	      Did you update your section(s) of the GNOME 3.0 page?
 233 Nov 04 16:57:00 <API>	    *
 234 Nov 04 16:57:00 <API>	      Do you have feedback for Heidi and her students regarding Caribou Requirements? 
 235 Nov 04 16:57:12 <API>	so please, anyone reading...
 236 Nov 04 16:57:25 <API>	and just three minutes left
 237 Nov 04 16:57:31 <API>	so miscellaneous time
 238 Nov 04 16:57:39 <API>	anyone wants to add something not included on the agenda?
 239 Nov 04 16:57:46 <API>	(or included but not mentioned yet)
 240 Nov 04 16:58:09 <fer>	testing!
 241 Nov 04 16:58:22 <aleiva>	fer: explain that
 242 Nov 04 16:58:40 <fer>	I would like to have some kind of plan of GNOME 3 a11y testing
 243 Nov 04 16:58:51 <fer>	nowadays most of us are not running a whole GNOME 3 desktop
 244 Nov 04 16:59:03 <fer>	just the modules we develop, and we do "jailed" testing
 245 Nov 04 16:59:23 <fer>	it would be nice to do some kind of complete smoke testing
 246 Nov 04 16:59:55 <bnitz>	fer:The aegis project I'm working on is intended for that.
 247 Nov 04 17:00:03 <fer>	great!
 248 Nov 04 17:00:32 <aleiva>	bnitz: can we start to using it?
 249 Nov 04 17:00:35 <bnitz>	fer:But I face the same problem, it's difficult to test a11y in an integrated desktop if the integrated desktop isn't complete.
 250 Nov 04 17:00:51 <aleiva>	bnitz: is it gnome 3.0 compliant?
 251 Nov 04 17:01:03 <bnitz>	aleiva:Right now it only tests some really basic stuff like menus and labels.
 252 Nov 04 17:01:59 <aleiva>	bnitz: I understanded at AEGIS hackfest that you started to test mago, can we use it to record some desktop-user functional tests?
 253 Nov 04 17:02:24 <aleiva>	bnitz: the main issue I see with your testing platform is that it's not released
 254 Nov 04 17:02:32 <bnitz>	aleiva:I'm using mago.  AFAIK ldtp2 (which mago requires) does not yet have working record facility.
 255 Nov 04 17:02:34 <aleiva>	bnitz: if you release it we can start to cooperate and growth it
 256 Nov 04 17:02:40 <aleiva>	fer: are you ok with this idea?
 257 Nov 04 17:03:09 <fer>	aleiva: that is great
 258 Nov 04 17:03:10 *	aleiva sorry for manage this topic but I'm very interested in a full a11y/dekstop testing platform
 259 Nov 04 17:03:48 <bnitz>	aleiva:I agree (it needs to be released).  I have to release it in such away that my employer and the mago people are happy with.  But it will be released.
 260 Nov 04 17:03:49 <fer>	but I would like also to get some developers to give a try at running a complete gnome 3 desktop
 261 Nov 04 17:04:20 <aleiva>	fer: we can talk about that, we are here (my company) ver interested in this idea
 262 Nov 04 17:04:25 <aleiva>	very*
 263 Nov 04 17:04:28 *	clown wonders if running gnome-shell is running a "complete gnome 3 desktop"
 264 Nov 04 17:04:29 <fer>	great
 265 Nov 04 17:04:39 *	bnitz was wondering that too.
 266 Nov 04 17:04:48 <fer>	clown: depending what does it include in the jhbuild module
 267 Nov 04 17:04:56 <fer>	gtk3? at-spi2-*?
 268 Nov 04 17:05:02 <clown>	fer:  up to 25 modules and counting...
 269 Nov 04 17:05:05 <bnitz>	clown:You should probably also have dbus atspi.
 270 Nov 04 17:05:05 <aleiva>	at-spi2 fundamentally I think
 271 Nov 04 17:05:08 <aleiva>	anyway
 272 Nov 04 17:05:13 <aleiva>	we can talk about this later
 273 Nov 04 17:05:16 <clown>	fer:  definitely gtk3
 274 Nov 04 17:05:26 <aleiva>	I think is a big topic to discuss in the meeting
 275 Nov 04 17:05:27 <aleiva>	) Orca
 276 Nov 04 17:05:27 <aleiva>	* Internacionalizar los nuevos diálogos de Orca, ya que posiblemente nos va a costar más tiempo finalizar la integración de los desarrollos en el master que traducir los 4 literales que hay nuevos, los hacemos y lo metemos en el paquete a distribuir en Guadalinfo.
 277 Nov 04 17:05:32 <aleiva>	sorry
 278 Nov 04 17:05:35 <aleiva>	buffer paste
 279 Nov 04 17:05:37 <aleiva>	:-D
 280 Nov 04 17:05:38 <joanie>	lol
 281 Nov 04 17:05:41 <clown>	:-)
 282 Nov 04 17:05:48 *	clown loves Spanish.
 283 Nov 04 17:05:56 *	joanie is learning it slowly
 284 Nov 04 17:05:57 <aleiva>	my thumb push the trackpad :-D
 285 Nov 04 17:06:08 *	clown but notes that he can't pronounce worth a darn.
 286 Nov 04 17:06:08 <aleiva>	API: can we move on?
 287 Nov 04 17:06:33 <API>	aleiva, move on would mean finish the meeting ;)
 288 Nov 04 17:06:35 <aleiva>	or finish the meeting to start to discuss the test thing out of the meet ?
 289 Nov 04 17:06:39 <aleiva>	API: yeah
 290 Nov 04 17:06:44 <aleiva>	meeting*
 291 Nov 04 17:06:58 <slee>	A quick note form me 
 292 Nov 04 17:07:03 <slee>	Project:Possibility will be doing 3 SS12s next year : CSUN, USC & UCLA
 293 Nov 04 17:07:15 <slee>	and i'm looking out for project ideas 
 294 Nov 04 17:07:41 <fer>	what are SS12s?
 295 Nov 04 17:07:50 <slee>	will chat to hedi and Bryen and see if we can figure about more GNOME projects liek Caribout last year
 296 Nov 04 17:08:08 <slee>	fer - weekend hackathons for students
 297 Nov 04 17:08:23 <slee>	they are CS students but we get them to do a11y projects
 298 Nov 04 17:08:26 <fer>	thanks :)
 299 Nov 04 17:08:39 <slee>	lasts year we had a caribouu team who won
 300 Nov 04 17:08:52 <slee>	and presented at CSUN
 301 Nov 04 17:09:05 <API>	you are planning to do something similar in this CSUN?
 302 Nov 04 17:09:18 <slee>	so we need small exciting project ideas that can be done in a weekend
 303 Nov 04 17:09:38 <slee>	but great if learn open source skills too from a small feature to a GNOME module
 304 Nov 04 17:10:20 <slee>	API: yes possibly - CSUN Northridge are having their own SS12 as well
 305 Nov 04 17:10:32 <slee>	even though they don't really have an ACM who usually do the work
 306 Nov 04 17:10:53 <slee>	A 3 way face off at CSUN conf would be cool
 307 Nov 04 17:11:03 <slee>	and of course CSUN would want to win :-)
 308 Nov 04 17:11:24 <slee>	and USC UCLA are rivals
 309 Nov 04 17:11:58 <slee>	Are  GNOME planning a booth at CSUN again?
 310 Nov 04 17:12:40 <API>	slee, yes AFAIK, 
 311 Nov 04 17:12:54 <API>	at least I think that we booked it
 312 Nov 04 17:13:01 <API>	eeejay has more information, I guess
 313 Nov 04 17:13:12 <eeejay>	yeah?
 314 Nov 04 17:13:36 <eeejay>	yeah, it's booked
 315 Nov 04 17:13:39 <eeejay>	i submitted a paper
 316 Nov 04 17:13:43 <eeejay>	sorry i am mia
 317 Nov 04 17:13:54 <API>	eeejay, ok thanks
 318 Nov 04 17:13:55 <eeejay>	been juggling a lot of projects
 319 Nov 04 17:14:12 <slee>	eeejay - hi 
 320 Nov 04 17:14:14 <slee>	that's good
 321 Nov 04 17:14:23 <slee>	it was great last year
 322 Nov 04 17:14:25 <eeejay>	hope to get back to things next weekend, havea huge action in the next few days
 323 Nov 04 17:14:37 <API>	well, slee, anything else, 15 minutes above the time
 324 Nov 04 17:14:37 <slee>	eeejay: np
 325 Nov 04 17:14:46 <API>	I think that it is a good momet to close the meeting ;)
 326 Nov 04 17:14:54 <API>	s/momet/moment
 327 Nov 04 17:14:57 *	sebsauer has quit (Remote closed the connection)
 328 Nov 04 17:14:58 *	slee hands back to chair
 329 Nov 04 17:15:02 *	gk4 (~gk4@32.97.110.58) has left #a11y
 330 Nov 04 17:15:13 <clown>	thanks, API
 331 Nov 04 17:15:21 <slee>	+1
 332 Nov 04 17:15:38 <API>	ok, so meeting is over
 333 Nov 04 17:15:42 <API>	thanks everybody
 334 Nov 04 17:15:54 <API>	feel free to talk of whatever you want now