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   3 07:06:01 *	Now talking on #a11y
   4 07:06:33 <API>	hi,
   5 07:06:37 <API>	sorry
   6 07:06:39 <API>	im late
   7 07:07:12 <API>	hmmm
   8 07:07:24 <API>	aleiva, are you in the office?
   9 07:07:42 <mgorse>	Hi
  10 07:08:01 <API>	mgorse, hi
  11 07:10:36 <aleiva>	API: yeah
  12 07:10:51 <API>	and joanie
  13 07:11:04 <aleiva>	API: joanie should be coming
  14 07:11:15 <aleiva>	API: he meet with juanje
  15 07:11:24 <aleiva>	API: s/he/she
  16 07:12:00 <API>	aleiva, ok, as far as I remember
  17 07:12:12 <API>	she wrote down some notes on our final AEGIS meeting
  18 07:12:14 <API>	anyway
  19 07:12:31 <API>	lets use the improvised agenda that I wrote yesterday
  20 07:12:52 <API>	(feel free anyone to suggest other topic=
  21 07:12:53 <API>	)
  22 07:12:59 <API>	1. AEGIS report share feelings and plans 
  23 07:13:22 <API>	just to comment that AEGIS hackfest, except for all the jinx things
  24 07:13:30 <API>	was good in my opinion
  25 07:13:53 <API>	and just some general conclusions
  26 07:14:06 <API>	1. need to keep working towards gnome 3
  27 07:14:18 <API>	2. some of the items of the list are (again) outdated
  28 07:14:33 <API>	3. We need a roadmap (I will create a rough draft soon)
  29 07:14:46 <API>	4. We need to decide if we need more hackfests the next year
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  31 07:15:05 <API>	although probably CSUN just in the middle of GNOME 3 is not a good moment
  32 07:15:13 <API>	ok, just a general summary
  33 07:15:24 <API>	someone wants to say something about AEGIS?
  34 07:15:27 <API>	(short please)
  35 07:15:46 <API>	Bryen, aleiva mgorse shaunm ?
  36 07:16:00 <API>	people that couldn't assist can also ask
  37 07:16:10 <API>	FlaPer87, eeejay etc.
  38 07:16:13 *	KeWang (~wangke@192.9.202.3) has joined #a11y
  39 07:17:12 <aleiva>	well, personally for me was a very positive experience, also a lot of opportunities there
  40 07:18:14 <mgorse>	I mostly worked on at-spi. Having Shaun there was really helpful--I have a better idea of what to do about documentation now
  41 07:20:12 <API>	well, as one of the following points is GNOME 3.0
  42 07:20:31 <API>	mgorse, I think that you can talk a little about what you did on the hackfest
  43 07:20:41 <API>	and your plan for the short-term related to at-spi2
  44 07:21:07 <API>	(more or less what you said the last day on hackfest)
  45 07:21:50 <mgorse>	I fixed a few performance issues, at which point I decided that it would probably be better to have a core C library implementing the AT side of at-spi2, rather than have everything implemented in Python
  46 07:22:24 <mgorse>	so I'm starting to work on adapting the half-finished cspi code I had. I want to try to get something minimal working so that I can test to determine for sure whether it's actually worth doing
  47 07:24:04 <API>	mgorse, just a guess, that would mean that you will implement cspi for at-spi2?
  48 07:24:12 <API>	or at least part of it?
  49 07:25:32 <mgorse>	What I'm doing will make it easier to implement cspi, but it will epend if I have time to do it. The CSPI api doesn't seem to be the same as what a GLib-based app usually has, so it doesn't seem ideal to use with gobject introspection
  50 07:26:29 <API>	mgorse, hmm, but the one that want to use directly cspi? like dasher?
  51 07:27:37 *	ragb (~ragb@bl8-132-70.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #a11y
  52 07:27:52 <mgorse>	I think I'd end up writing a thin wrapper around the library I'm working on, to translate the api, if I'm going to implement it
  53 07:28:44 <API>	ok mgorse thanks for the update
  54 07:29:45 <API>	so lets continue with other gnome 3.0
  55 07:30:12 *	msanchez (~msanchez@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) has joined #a11y
  56 07:30:13 <API>	KeWang, something new from your side
  57 07:30:15 <API>	?
  58 07:30:19 <API>	(JAW)
  59 07:31:16 <KeWang>	API, I'm reviewing JAW bugs on bugzilla recently
  60 07:31:38 <KeWang>	Hope I can get some of them fixed soon :-)
  61 07:32:33 <API>	KeWang, ok, that means that you started your work on JAW again, right?
  62 07:32:45 <API>	AFAIK, you were not able to do that on the last months
  63 07:33:13 *	bnitz1 (~bnitz@79.97.181.9) has joined #a11y
  64 07:33:18 <KeWang>	API, yes.
  65 07:34:06 <KeWang>	I was busy on transfer from sun to oracle last month...
  66 07:34:40 <API>	KeWang, that means that LiYuan will also have time to go back to work?
  67 07:34:48 <API>	I mean to work in a11y things ;)
  68 07:34:53 <API>	for sure he is working
  69 07:35:20 <KeWang>	yes, Li's working on a11y.
  70 07:37:30 <API>	KeWang, ok, awesome, lets hope he can assist to future meetings to ask him directly
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  72 07:37:57 <API>	well, anyone wants to ask/share something about gnome 3.0 updates?
  73 07:38:39 <KeWang>	API, do you have any questions that I can pass to Li?
  74 07:39:51 <API>	KeWang, well, you said that he is working on a11y, so questions like
  75 07:39:57 <API>	in which project he will work
  76 07:40:13 <API>	or if he would have time enough to help mgorse with at-spi2
  77 07:40:24 <API>	or in any "red item" from the gnome 3.0 list
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  80 07:44:15 <KeWang>	API, ok, I'll pass these to Li. He will attend the next meeting.
  81 07:44:42 <API>	KeWang, ok, thanks
  82 07:44:45 <API>	so lets move
  83 07:44:48 *	API checking agenda
  84 07:45:04 <API>	Feedback on Caribou requirements questions 
  85 07:45:13 <API>	well, heidi has created a wiki page
  86 07:45:32 <API>	in order to get feedback
  87 07:45:49 <API>	from caribou
  88 07:46:47 <API>	http://live.gnome.org/Caribou/RequirementsQuestions
  89 07:47:03 <API>	some people have started to add some notes here
  90 07:47:34 <API>	anyway, it would be good that more feedback (me included)
  91 07:47:38 <API>	dpellicer you here?
  92 07:53:10 <API>	...
  93 07:53:14 <API>	it seems that no
  94 07:53:46 <API>	so lets move for this last 5 minutes
  95 07:54:01 <API>	roadmap
  96 07:54:05 <API>	well, nothing new
  97 07:54:12 <API>	I still need to create a rough draft
  98 07:54:14 <API>	as a base 
  99 07:54:29 <API>	and then let people to discuss it in order to improve it
 100 07:54:54 <API>	Boston Summit:
 101 07:55:12 <API>	joanie and aleiva plan to go there to talk with gs and webkitgtk people
 102 07:55:16 <API>	someone else?
 103 07:56:04 <aleiva>	probably we'll meet with gnome-shell folks too
 104 07:56:08 <mgorse>	I'll be there, since I'm living here right now, but not sure what I'll do exactly
 105 07:59:52 <API>	aleiva, sorry, I should avoid to use acronyms :P
 106 07:59:55 <API>	gs == gnome shell
 107 08:00:28 <API>	mgorse, ok, thanks
 108 08:00:38 *	KeWang has quit (Leaving)
 109 08:00:46 <API>	well, time is over
 110 08:00:48 <API>	so 
 111 08:00:51 <API>	miscellaneous
 112 08:01:02 <API>	someone what to add something to the meeting?
 113 08:01:14 <aleiva>	API: aps. true
 114 08:02:03 <aleiva>	API: then, we'll meet also with ezoom developers, and whoever want to meet with us about orca and a11y