Sep 30 09:18:40 * Now talking on #a11y Sep 30 09:18:52 hi, sorry the delay, traffic jam Sep 30 09:19:11 aleiva, has the meeting started? Sep 30 09:19:12 Hi Sep 30 09:19:25 mgorse, hi Sep 30 09:19:33 we were waiting for you api :) Sep 30 09:19:52 * API fells guilty Sep 30 09:20:43 well, although AEGIS things are mostly finished, we can start with it Sep 30 09:20:49 bnitz, you here? Sep 30 09:21:20 * slee (~chatzilla@stevelee.gotadsl.co.uk) has joined #a11y Sep 30 09:23:39 well, it seems that no Sep 30 09:24:10 just to comment that we will probably rearrange the testing session Sep 30 09:24:14 http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010 Sep 30 09:24:27 to start later that day Sep 30 09:25:04 btw, aleiva you here? Sep 30 09:25:40 he already made the hotel book, probably it would be a good idea to upload that on the wiki, so people could know his Sep 30 09:25:45 assigned mate Sep 30 09:26:11 no aleiva either... Sep 30 09:26:12 Are the rooms booked under our names, so we can just go to the desk at the hotel and give our name and we get the room? Sep 30 09:26:17 probably roommate is a better word Sep 30 09:26:35 mgorse, yes afaik Sep 30 09:26:53 ie, joanie is already flying to seville Sep 30 09:27:34 Oh, yeah, right--that's why she's not here :) Sep 30 09:28:04 yeah, as Bryen, that he is already on Spain, although afaik te started with Barcelona Sep 30 09:28:36 well, lets move, ask about the hackfest if you have any question Sep 30 09:28:50 so, next in agenda would be GNOME 2.32 updates Sep 30 09:29:06 fer, recently I read a mail related to problems with gnome-mag Sep 30 09:29:12 did you read it? Sep 30 09:29:20 yeah, I just got an anwer from Li Sep 30 09:29:26 it's on the stable branch Sep 30 09:29:36 so I should take a look at it for gnome 2.32 Sep 30 09:29:52 (which I totally ignored because I was not happy with such a release) Sep 30 09:30:17 fer, you mean gnome-mag 2.32 release or just gnome 2.32 release in general? Sep 30 09:30:36 well, gnome-mag from stable branch is working fine over my stock gnome 2.30 Sep 30 09:30:51 (0.16.1) Sep 30 09:32:05 although Li reported the bug to be present on gnome 2.30 branch Sep 30 09:32:14 but I'll definitively take a look at it Sep 30 09:32:43 ok, Sep 30 09:33:20 well, someone wants to comment something else about gnome 2.32 ? Sep 30 09:35:37 ... Sep 30 09:35:55 so lets move to gnome 3.0, something forgotten the last weeks Sep 30 09:36:33 fer, afaik, there will be a lot of changes on gnome-mag on gnome 3.0 with respect to this gnome 2.32 release? Sep 30 09:36:44 yup Sep 30 09:37:07 dbus vs. bonobo and cairo drawing vs. old gtk2 gdk drawing Sep 30 09:38:04 gnome-mag used a lot of gtk2 gdk drawing? Sep 30 09:41:01 yeah, and in a very bad way Sep 30 09:41:08 bad way? Sep 30 09:41:14 very unoptimized Sep 30 09:41:35 things like copy the cursor pixmap in every drawing instead of having it cached Sep 30 09:43:28 so you want to make the move to cairo and optimize the drawing in one shot? Sep 30 09:44:07 not me, Benjamin Otte :) Sep 30 09:44:42 who is the one screaming how bad the gdk drawing based code was :) Sep 30 09:45:40 fer, so Benjamin Otte will work on gnome-mag also? Sep 30 09:46:17 * tomeu wants him to fix wnck first Sep 30 09:46:22 He did a initial bunch of stuff, but I still need to poke him to get it finished Sep 30 09:46:41 haha, it looks like he is _the_ guy these days Sep 30 09:47:30 he has stolen the spotlight from mezcalero :p Sep 30 09:48:09 ok, thanks fer Sep 30 09:48:21 I guess that this is enough gnome-mag for today ;) Sep 30 09:48:54 so the other star thinking on gnome3 is at-spi2 Sep 30 09:49:02 mgorse, something to say about it? Sep 30 09:50:09 Mostly there are performance issues to be worked out afaik Sep 30 09:50:46 I've been working on trying to have it use dbus connections, which should help some. Made some progress on that yesterday (but need to figure out if dbus-glib is stil actually being maintained, since I fixed a bug in it) Sep 30 09:51:00 s/dbus connections/direct dbus connections/ Sep 30 09:51:26 so I'll need to see how much of a difference that makes once it's al working Sep 30 09:52:12 just to add a anecdote, have you seen michael meeks post about dbus performance? Sep 30 09:52:28 this post was a reaction about someone adding kernel support Sep 30 09:52:37 in order to improve dbus performance Sep 30 09:53:04 Not sure. Is that something that was written a few years ago when people were evaluating dbus? Sep 30 09:53:20 * msanchez (~msanchez@44.24.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com) has joined #a11y Sep 30 09:53:22 I'm also wondering how performant gdbus is compared to libdbus Sep 30 09:53:40 hmm, gdbus is not using libdbus? Sep 30 09:53:49 (and someone also filed bug against at-spi2 since it is using dbus-glib) Sep 30 09:54:00 that would mean the client side of the protocol was reimplemented in gdbus Sep 30 09:54:28 tomeu: afaik it's a complete reimplementation Sep 30 09:55:11 mgorse, so gdbus and libdbus are two different implementations of dbus? Sep 30 09:55:25 API: I believe so Sep 30 09:55:43 mgorse, there are any reason of this reimplementation? Sep 30 09:55:45 looks like Sep 30 09:55:45 I mean Sep 30 09:55:49 something like Sep 30 09:55:54 gvariant made easy reimplementing the marshalling Sep 30 09:55:56 different approachs Sep 30 09:56:05 or "old implementation is bad" Sep 30 09:56:09 or whatever Sep 30 09:56:27 Apparently it was designed to be thread-safe Sep 30 09:56:30 tomeu, they made a dbus reimplementation just to use gvariant? Sep 30 09:56:36 I guess desrt wanted to reuse gio and gvariant Sep 30 09:56:54 API: well, there was consensus that dbus-glib wasn't the way forward Sep 30 09:57:03 so they needed a new API in glib anyway Sep 30 09:57:20 as they had already gio and gvariant, using libdbus would duplicate quite a bit of that Sep 30 09:57:23 yeah, but as you said before Sep 30 09:57:25 hmm, gdbus is not using libdbus? Sep 30 09:57:50 yeah, just checked the source and it's not using it Sep 30 09:57:56 only for the tests Sep 30 09:59:04 sorry for the confusion Sep 30 09:59:08 mgorse, about michael meeks post, is not something written years ago Sep 30 09:59:10 http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2010-09-17.html Sep 30 09:59:21 it also includes a link to the other post Sep 30 09:59:23 tomeu, np Sep 30 09:59:24 API: Okay; I'll look. Thanks Sep 30 09:59:36 well, we are almost out of time Sep 30 09:59:44 so lets move to "miscellaneous" Sep 30 09:59:58 anyone want to comment anything else? Sep 30 10:00:36 ah Sep 30 10:00:43 I have a question regarding aegis Sep 30 10:01:19 I'm getting the GNOME braille embossed materials for AEGIS today or tomorrow Sep 30 10:01:32 but I will not arrive to seville until Wed Sep 30 10:01:48 so, should I bring them with myself or send them before to someone? Sep 30 10:02:28 fer, well Bryen made a strange question the other day, related to try to found out Sep 30 10:02:38 alternative braille printers Sep 30 10:02:59 but peter korn told him that it would be fine to add the material on usb sticks Sep 30 10:03:06 anyway, about your question Sep 30 10:03:17 I guess that you could send it to emergy facilities Sep 30 10:03:27 well, that was because we were not sure if we could get ONCE printing the material at that time Sep 30 10:03:32 after all the event box will be sent there Sep 30 10:03:39 fer, ah ok, it was not related Sep 30 10:03:45 ok, I'll coordinate with aleiva later Sep 30 10:03:56 btw, other good question would be ask aleiva if the event box is already on seville Sep 30 10:04:01 yeah, I mailied both bryen and joanie, but got no answers Sep 30 10:04:13 i don't no the date Sep 30 10:04:21 fer, well, joanie is on flying Sep 30 10:04:35 and Bryen is hard to get in contact when he is in a foreign country Sep 30 10:04:48 he he Sep 30 10:05:38 * ruoso has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) Sep 30 10:07:23 fer, ok thanks Sep 30 10:07:29 5 min over the time Sep 30 10:07:38 I think that we can conclude the meeting Sep 30 10:07:42 again, sorry for arrive late Sep 30 10:07:53 thanks to you! Sep 30 10:07:59 see you then in Seville next week! Sep 30 10:08:04 mgorse, tomeu fer thanks individually, as seems that you were the only guys here ;) Sep 30 10:08:41 * tomeu was just the peanuts gallery Sep 30 10:12:02 * slee has quit (ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.13/20100914130356]) Sep 30 10:15:01 * ruoso (~ruoso@201009122149.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #a11y Sep 30 10:16:20 * andre (~andre@g1.blanicka25.net) has joined #a11y Sep 30 10:23:18 uops Sep 30 10:23:20 dorry Sep 30 10:23:24 sorry* Sep 30 10:23:40 I was travelling this week and I forget about the meeting Sep 30 10:27:06 for the record, all the hotel stuff is done Sep 30 10:29:12 am I the only "single"? Sep 30 10:31:06 aleiva, np Sep 30 10:36:02 API: :-)