1 (11:02:17 AM) joanie: Hey folks. Meeting time.
   2 (11:02:25 AM) bnitz: yay!
   3 (11:02:52 AM) ***Bryen performs the customary ceremonial secret handshake of the meeting
   4 (11:03:16 AM) msanchez: JFTR, API is not going to attend today (on holidays)
   5 (11:03:22 AM) joanie: API is on holiday this week, so I'm afraid you're stuck with me
   6 (11:03:43 AM) Bryen: there are worse things than that in this world, joanie   :-)
   7 (11:03:56 AM) joanie: And, fates be praised, this should be the last meeting to talk about AEGIS
   8 (11:04:00 AM) Bryen: heidi!!!
   9 (11:04:07 AM) joanie: (thanks Bryen)
  10 (11:04:13 AM) heidi: Hey bryen!
  11 (11:04:15 AM) joanie: So.... aleiva, you around?
  12 (11:04:19 AM) Pendulum: joanie: knock wood now :P
  13 (11:04:50 AM) aleiva: o/
  14 (11:04:55 AM) joanie: \o
  15 (11:05:00 AM) joanie: hotel update?
  16 (11:05:35 AM) aleiva: as a I said all this weekend, the booking is done
  17 (11:06:10 AM) aleiva: I'm finishing with GNOME Foundation some invoice details (waiting response from them)
  18 (11:06:43 AM) aleiva: finally the choosed hotel is tryp macarena
  19 (11:06:51 AM) joanie: awesome. Nice to have this all set.
  20 (11:07:05 AM) aleiva: final price if I remember is 80 single 90 double, euros currency
  21 (11:07:24 AM) yippi: hi
  22 (11:07:32 AM) joanie: hey yippi
  23 (11:07:40 AM) Bryen: aleiva,   as you said yesterday and I want to verify that we're clear on this....  Those of us who requested extra nights have that included in the package and we'll reimburse GNOME Foundation for those extra nights.  Correct?
  24 (11:07:50 AM) Bryen: Yippi for yippi!
  25 (11:08:11 AM) aleiva: Bryen: first part is absolutely true, the booking is done also for extra nights
  26 (11:08:26 AM) aleiva: Bryen: the second part it depends of gnome foundation say
  27 (11:08:39 AM) Bryen: uhmm
  28 (11:08:41 AM) aleiva: Bryen: jI'm just waiting the response from them
  29 (11:09:02 AM) Bryen: I hope they hurry up and settle up since I'm leaving the country this weekend and have already told my interpreters where to show up next saturday.
  30 (11:09:06 AM) aleiva: I'll send a ping mail today
  31 (11:09:12 AM) clown: aleiva:  this is the hotel, right? http://es.solmelia.com/nHoteles/jsp/C_Hotel_Content.jsp?idSolRes=4102&tab=description&codigoHotel=4102
  32 (11:09:41 AM) aleiva: clown: exactly
  33 (11:09:47 AM) clown: aleiva:  thanks
  34 (11:10:15 AM) aleiva: clown: yw :)
  35 (11:10:17 AM) joanie: Thanks again aleiva for doing all that work! (Anyone have other hotel questions?)
  36 (11:10:35 AM) joanie: Going once.... Going twice....
  37 (11:10:45 AM) aleiva: only one
  38 (11:10:47 AM) ***clown listening for gavel.
  39 (11:10:52 AM) Bryen: only the comment I made  :-)
  40 (11:11:07 AM) aleiva: Bryen: which one
  41 (11:11:27 AM) ***joanie positions gavel and waits
  42 (11:11:28 AM) Bryen: about getting verification from GNO-FO tht this is approved
  43 (11:11:44 AM) aleiva: btw, I expect this week to send an email to gnome-a11y mail list about all the closed details
  44 (11:11:45 AM) ***Bryen doesn't want to meet two angry interpreters at the hotel only to find we didn't get our rooms approved  :-)
  45 (11:12:02 AM) aleiva: Bryen: gnome foundation is funding you and your two interpreters
  46 (11:12:08 AM) aleiva: Bryen: that's not the problem
  47 (11:12:20 AM) aleiva: Bryen: the problem is how we are going to manage extra nights
  48 (11:12:32 AM) Bryen: aleiva,   Its the extra nights I'm referring to
  49 (11:12:36 AM) aleiva: gnome foundation pay? everyone pay to gnome foundation?
  50 (11:12:50 AM) aleiva: Bryen: I lost today my cristal ball :)
  51 (11:13:14 AM) aleiva: crystal*
  52 (11:13:17 AM) joanie: And keeping in mind the "no deep dive/15 minute limit" rule Bryen and others have suggested....
  53 (11:13:30 AM) Bryen: moving on!
  54 (11:13:33 AM) aleiva: Bryen: If you want
  55 (11:13:33 AM) joanie: Those of us staying extra should stay in touch with aleiva
  56 (11:13:38 AM) aleiva: joanie: sorry give me one minute
  57 (11:13:45 AM) joanie: yessir go ahead
  58 (11:14:01 AM) aleiva: Bryen: if you want, you can make pressure with me to german poo about all this question
  59 (11:14:09 AM) stormy1: aleiva, I believe the GNOME Foundation has no problem paying for the extra nights and getting reimbursed if there is an easy way for individuals to reimburse the foundation.
  60 (11:14:19 AM) aleiva: oh one stormy1 
  61 (11:14:23 AM) joanie: hey stormy1 :-)
  62 (11:14:31 AM) aleiva: stormy1: ok, thanks
  63 (11:14:37 AM) stormy1: For people who are having airfare or train sponsored, it's easy. We can deduct the costs from what we owe in assistance.
  64 (11:15:17 AM) Bryen: Thanks stormy1 
  65 (11:15:18 AM) joanie: stormy1: I can provide a credit card. I already give to the Foundation each year, so I hope I'm trustworthy. ;-)
  66 (11:15:30 AM) aleiva: stormy1: that's my idea, but obviously I need confirmation :)
  67 (11:15:42 AM) Bryen: ok, done with hotel?   Cuz I have a printing question
  68 (11:15:58 AM) ***joanie looks at agenda and doesn't see "printing" :-)
  69 (11:16:07 AM) joanie: Bryen: Ok, go ahead
  70 (11:16:16 AM) Bryen: well it was kinda last minute....  :-)
  71 (11:16:23 AM) joanie: (teasing)
  72 (11:16:53 AM) Bryen: I have my cards here that I'll bring with me to AEGIS.   And I spoke with Fer yesterday and he said he's going to contact ONCE to see if they're still willing to do free braille printouts of the same material.
  73 (11:16:59 AM) Bryen: (cards = brochures)
  74 (11:17:14 AM) Bryen: and this mornign I noticed Fer said he may not make it until the 6th (opening day)
  75 (11:17:29 AM) Bryen: so my question is, is there alternatives if ONCE doesn't do it for braille printers in the area?
  76 (11:18:26 AM) Bryen: btw:  Anyone know the expected attendance at AEGIS conference?   
  77 (11:18:47 AM) ***joanie wonders if Korn is really here
  78 (11:19:01 AM) korn: I'm here, but finishing up a call.
  79 (11:19:17 AM) Bryen: ok we can ask korn afterward and proceed with this meeting
  80 (11:19:24 AM) joanie: Bryen: sounds good
  81 (11:19:27 AM) joanie: clown: posters
  82 (11:19:38 AM) clown: joanie:  right
  83 (11:20:01 AM) clown: I was contacted this morning by one of the AEGIS organizsers.  Quoting from the email:
  84 (11:20:11 AM) clown: Joseph, could you please provide us with the GNOME posters layout by end of tomorrow-Friday, Sep 24th (or at latest by Monday morning) if you want us to print them? We will need some time for printing, that is why we are now in hurry. 
  85 (11:20:47 AM) clown: I'm inferring that if any of you are providing posters, and want them printed, you should contact this organizer.
  86 (11:20:56 AM) clown: does anyone need his contact information?
  87 (11:21:36 AM) clown: if you do, ask me, and I'll provide it.
  88 (11:21:53 AM) joanie: clown: for the purpose of meeting minutes, etc. Mind providing it?
  89 (11:22:21 AM) clown: joanie:  I don't mind... *looking it up*
  90 (11:22:43 AM) clown: Lenka.Kasparova@Sun.COM
  91 (11:22:56 AM) joanie: awesome thank you
  92 (11:23:02 AM) korn: Hi all, I'm back.  Sorry for not fully being here.
  93 (11:23:16 AM) korn: Lenka's e-mail address going forward is Lenka.Kasparova@oracle.com
  94 (11:23:39 AM) clown: also, if you have a poster, please add it to the wik (http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010#AEGIS_Posters)
  95 (11:23:39 AM) korn: Poster templates should be up on the aegis-conference.eu website.
  96 (11:23:44 AM) joanie: korn: would you happen to have the figures on expected attendance for the conference?
  97 (11:24:05 AM) clown: s/wik/wiki/
  98 (11:24:19 AM) clown: that's all I have on posters/aegis...
  99 (11:24:24 AM) joanie: thanks clown!
 100 (11:24:27 AM) korn: I don't know the very latest figures Joanie, sorry.
 101 (11:24:33 AM) clown: welcome
 102 (11:24:38 AM) joanie: what would you ballpark them at?
 103 (11:24:47 AM) korn: What is the context for this question?
 104 (11:25:07 AM) joanie: Bryen asked w.r.t. alternative formats for materials
 105 (11:25:30 AM) korn: Ah... OK.
 106 (11:26:01 AM) Bryen: korn,   got an off the top figure?  Like 300 or 900?   (Makes a difference in the amount of post cards I'll bring with me)
 107 (11:26:25 AM) korn: Based on the number of folks I've seen so far from blindness organizations (and the number of "attendants" signed up), I'd just not more than 20 copies of material in Braille format.
 108 (11:26:54 AM) korn: Also....   !  what material do you want to provide?
 109 (11:27:05 AM) korn: We're giving every conference attende a USB stick
 110 (11:27:28 AM) korn: If you have material we can put into a "GNOME" folder on that stick, that may be a nice option.
 111 (11:27:38 AM) joanie: great idea
 112 (11:27:45 AM) Bryen: korn,   I created a 5x7 postcard that we're giving out at the booth.   So Fer says he can try to get someone to print braille versions of it.  But I'm looking for alternative solutions in case that one doesn't come through
 113 (11:28:30 AM) korn: In general there's been a move away from Braille and toward accessible electronic format materials.
 114 (11:28:39 AM) korn: (at all disability conferences I attend)
 115 (11:28:56 AM) korn: Also, consider providing material in DAISY format.  
 116 (11:28:57 AM) Bryen: ok then I can say to people that request"  We have the braille version on your stick"
 117 (11:29:07 AM) joanie: Then I think we should also stop providing print. ;-)
 118 (11:29:07 AM) Bryen: or not the braille version per se but you know what I mean  :-)
 119 (11:29:21 AM) korn: I happen to know about a neat open source application that has a neat open source plug-in to create DAISY books... :-)
 120 (11:29:28 AM) joanie: :-)
 121 (11:29:36 AM) korn: (using a neat open source TTS engine in multiple languages)
 122 (11:29:40 AM) joanie: For the purpose of the minutes korn would you like to provide a link?
 123 (11:29:45 AM) Bryen: I heard about that at the CSUN conf.   I should look into it.
 124 (11:30:02 AM) korn: http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/
 125 (11:30:17 AM) joanie: okay, we're in danger of this being a deep-dive
 126 (11:30:19 AM) korn: It's an AEGIS-funded plugin to OpenOffice.org that uses eSpeak to create full DAISY books.
 127 (11:30:34 AM) korn: Contact me off-line for any further diving.
 128 (11:30:37 AM) joanie: so any final words on this general topic
 129 (11:30:42 AM) joanie: (Peter, I didn't mean you)
 130 (11:30:52 AM) joanie: (we have a new "cap" on topics)
 131 (11:30:55 AM) Bryen: none by me
 132 (11:31:07 AM) ***joanie moves on
 133 (11:31:12 AM) joanie: Virtual Hackfest
 134 (11:31:31 AM) joanie: I went through all of the GNOME "blocking" bugs for Orca and have a tentative list
 135 (11:31:39 AM) joanie: lots and lots of Evolution bugs :-)
 136 (11:32:01 AM) joanie: anyhoo, aleiva and I have our meeting after this one. So we'll come up with a final list of proposed bugs and put it on the wiki
 137 (11:32:01 AM) Bryen: mm...  the Evo bugs may be difficult to tackle :-(
 138 (11:32:21 AM) joanie: Bryen: Dare I ask why?
 139 (11:32:55 AM) Bryen: joanie,   priorities in the evo team have changed drastically in the last year or so.   Corporate politics and all.   That's why they're not tending to them bugs as they should have 
 140 (11:33:25 AM) Bryen: I'll poke them about the virtual hackfest, but doubtful their manager is even going to allow them to work on it.
 141 (11:33:42 AM) joanie: stormy1: yippi: I assume you saw what Bryen just said
 142 (11:34:27 AM) ***joanie moves on
 143 (11:34:38 AM) joanie: Scheduling meetings versus unconference
 144 (11:35:06 AM) joanie: I added that one because I'm looking at everyone aleiva and I need to meet with, and considering the conference events, etc., etc. and wondering how it's all going to get done
 145 (11:35:24 AM) joanie: However, I like unconferences much more than rigidly-scheduled things
 146 (11:35:28 AM) joanie: so ... I dunno.... 
 147 (11:35:34 AM) joanie: what do you all think we should do?
 148 (11:35:38 AM) Bryen: I'd rather go with unconferences as well
 149 (11:35:59 AM) korn: joanie: I think the main question is whether we'll have anyone participating remotely in any of these discussions.
 150 (11:36:04 AM) yippi: joanie, were you just highlighting that evolution is under-resourced?
 151 (11:36:16 AM) korn: For any of those, I think scheduling makes senese.
 152 (11:36:22 AM) Bryen: yippi,   yes that's basicailly it
 153 (11:36:25 AM) joanie: yippi: basically. It's the "other people's bugs" problem
 154 (11:36:38 AM) joanie: which is out of our hands, and yet affects GNOME and its accessibility
 155 (11:36:44 AM) joanie: and is thus something the Board should be aware of
 156 (11:37:21 AM) joanie: korn: all official meetings (e.g. testing) are scheduled
 157 (11:37:48 AM) joanie: What I was refering to more is that: clown and fer and aleiva and I should meet around magnification
 158 (11:37:49 AM) korn: joanie: then I'd suggest you have scheduled what you need to schedule, and keeping the rest un-ish makes sense.
 159 (11:37:58 AM) joanie: and msanchez and aleiva and I should meet around webkit
 160 (11:38:04 AM) joanie: and there's firefox
 161 (11:38:08 AM) joanie: and leadership stuff
 162 (11:38:10 AM) joanie: and gnome-shell
 163 (11:38:13 AM) joanie: etc., etc.
 164 (11:38:25 AM) joanie: and I want to be sure that if we're all in the same room(s) we all get to meet
 165 (11:38:26 AM) Bryen: what we need is a stenographer  :-)
 166 (11:38:28 AM) aleiva: excessive amount of meetings detected :)
 167 (11:38:33 AM) joanie: and I fear that we won't be able to
 168 (11:38:38 AM) joanie: aleiva: (I know)
 169 (11:39:14 AM) joanie: But my point is that we need to maximize our time together since it happens so infrequently
 170 (11:39:17 AM) aleiva: I like unconference
 171 (11:39:34 AM) msanchez: me too, but i't
 172 (11:39:50 AM) msanchez: but it's obvious some kind of organization would help
 173 (11:39:59 AM) joanie: :-)
 174 (11:40:04 AM) mgorse: It sounds like people just need to hook up with the individuals they want to meet with and figure out a good time, and then maybe whoever else wants to join can, which is what happens in an unconference anyway maybe
 175 (11:40:24 AM) joanie: mgorse: Right. But some of us need to "hook up" with quite a few folks
 176 (11:41:10 AM) prlw1: mgorse: Will you be going for sure?
 177 (11:41:25 AM) mgorse: prlw1: Yes. That reminds me that I need to update the wiki
 178 (11:41:32 AM) joanie: anyhoo, cap....
 179 (11:41:34 AM) Bryen: joanie,   I guess we're going to be spending a lot of time in the hotel lounge afterward then  :-)
 180 (11:41:35 AM) prlw1: mgorse: :-)
 181 (11:41:45 AM) msanchez: what if we setup a wiki page with all the topics needing meetings and write the names of involved people down there?
 182 (11:41:45 AM) joanie: So the conclusion is that we'll do it unconference style
 183 (11:41:51 AM) joanie: msanchez: +1
 184 (11:41:57 AM) joanie: I was just going to suggest something like that
 185 (11:42:35 AM) msanchez: never been in an unconference before so if most people think it's ok that way I'm ok. But I was thinking of people like joanie (having to meet many people there) or those attending remotely
 186 (11:43:04 AM) msanchez: if we set up a wiki for that in a further step we (even in a non strict way) could better organize ourselves to meet in exact date and time
 187 (11:43:07 AM) msanchez: I guess :-)
 188 (11:43:15 AM) joanie: msanchez: an unconference with an optional sign-up sheet on the wiki will be a good solution I think
 189 (11:43:33 AM) msanchez: works for me
 190 (11:43:53 AM) joanie: awesome
 191 (11:43:55 AM) joanie: moving on
 192 (11:44:05 AM) Bryen: Folks:  Important reminder for those of you who are sponsored to travel,  BLOG BLOG BLOG before, during and after and be sure to put the "Sponsored by GNOME Foundation" badge on your posts.   I'll send an email link out with the link to the badge
 193 (11:44:05 AM) joanie: Just a reminder that there is "homework" on the wiki
 194 (11:44:25 AM) joanie: We'll get a lot more done at the testing and documentation sessions if we show up prepared
 195 (11:44:35 AM) Bryen: joanie,   Do we want to do the a11y@bryen mailing list again like we did at CSUN so we can all find each other?
 196 (11:44:39 AM) joanie: any other aegis things? Quickly?
 197 (11:44:44 AM) joanie: Bryen: Sure
 198 (11:44:52 AM) joanie: Bryen: could you please add that to the wiki?
 199 (11:44:54 AM) korn: Just a coule quick thinks joanie
 200 (11:44:57 AM) Bryen: will do
 201 (11:45:11 AM) korn: We are going to have an 'eSpeak Tuning' room running for much of the conference
 202 (11:45:24 AM) korn: The focus will be on improving eSpeak for various languages.
 203 (11:45:38 AM) Bryen: collecting voices?
 204 (11:45:48 AM) korn: Jerry Dimitriou from SingularLogic - an AEGIS partner - will be staffing that room and working to improve eSpeak.
 205 (11:46:20 AM) korn: What we hope to do at the conference is bring native speakers of various languages in to this room, and work with them on finding out places where eSpeak isn't speaking as well as it might, in order to improve it.
 206 (11:46:42 AM) korn: We'll have a sign up for this at the registration desk.
 207 (11:46:56 AM) korn: It'll be open on Thursday afternoon and most of Friday.
 208 (11:47:11 AM) joanie: korn: great. Could  you also please put something on the wiki so that people keep it in mind?
 209 (11:47:36 AM) korn: ummm.... yah.  The main place I'm working on getting it is at aegis-conference.du
 210 (11:47:45 AM) korn: ^du^eu
 211 (11:48:00 AM) joanie: understood. But we'll be scheduling things based on what's on the wiki. :-)
 212 (11:48:12 AM) korn: Yah, I know.
 213 (11:48:13 AM) joanie: Or not scheduling as much as planning/fitting in
 214 (11:48:25 AM) korn: But that gets influenced by what is on the main AEGIS programme for Th & Fri, right?
 215 (11:48:38 AM) joanie: on those days people do what they want
 216 (11:48:43 AM) korn: (e.g. don't have much hackfest stuff going on during the AEGIS conference desktop sessions...)
 217 (11:48:44 AM) Bryen: Another reminder to everyone to pay registration if you want to attend the actual AEGIS Conf.   I'll pay for mine on site.
 218 (11:48:58 AM) korn: Bryen: thanks, that was my second topic.
 219 (11:49:04 AM) joanie: korn: We don't have "scheduled" things going on Thursday and Friday
 220 (11:49:19 AM) joanie: but those are the "getting things done" days (smaller group/individual meetings)
 221 (11:49:25 AM) korn: I saw very few registrations from GNOME folks when I saw the list some time back.
 222 (11:49:39 AM) Bryen: korn,   I haven't paid yet because I'm uncomfortable with sending CC information via email
 223 (11:49:40 AM) korn: Please everyone - register if you plan to attend!
 224 (11:49:59 AM) danigm_out is now known as danigm
 225 (11:50:13 AM) korn: Bryen: I thought there was a fax option.  Perhaps not (a minion was involved in my case)
 226 (11:50:41 AM) clown: korn, Bryen:  Jan has registered using the fax option.
 227 (11:50:53 AM) Bryen: I don't have a landline phone here but I guess I should have looked into online fax options
 228 (11:51:05 AM) ***clown looking for more info about how Jan did it.
 229 (11:51:32 AM) korn: Anyway... don't want to deep dive here on a single person's registration.  The point is: all of you: please register if you haven't yet.
 230 (11:51:36 AM) joanie: okay, with 9 minutes left and still talking about aegis
 231 (11:51:58 AM) korn: eSpeak tuning info is at: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/espeak.html
 232 (11:52:05 AM) Bryen: as someone posted on my blog recently.... AEGIS RULEZZZ!   :-)
 233 (11:52:10 AM) korn: ***korn shuts up about AEGIS now
 234 (11:52:11 AM) joanie: And looking at a bunch of things on the agenda we're clearly not going to get too....
 235 (11:52:14 AM) joanie: to even
 236 (11:52:28 AM) joanie: Let's jump to Heidi's topic
 237 (11:52:34 AM) joanie: Best way to get feedback to students on Caribou functionality and requirements
 238 (11:52:41 AM) joanie: thoughts?
 239 (11:52:57 AM) Bryen: email to list?
 240 (11:53:04 AM) heidi: I have student writing a requirements document for Caribou. They've been collecting questions of things that they can't determine from existing docs.
 241 (11:53:09 AM) Bryen: That way not only do they get info, but the rest of the world sees that there's activity going on
 242 (11:53:38 AM) heidi: I will organize and eliminate duplicate questions as well as answer any that I can myself. 
 243 (11:53:48 AM) heidi: But there will still be a number remaining. 
 244 (11:53:56 AM) joanie: Could we set up an area on live.gnome.org/Caribou/Foo
 245 (11:54:19 AM) heidi: I'd be happy to email them to the list. Just checking that that is the desired communication mechanism. 
 246 (11:54:25 AM) Bryen: heidi,   Unless they're really over simple questions,  why not answer their questions via the ML?   Give the world a chance to see you in action as the awesome teacher you are  :-)
 247 (11:54:28 AM) joanie: Personally I don't see any reason why students can't use the wiki
 248 (11:54:36 AM) heidi: :-)
 249 (11:54:56 AM) Bryen: As the saying goes.... "It's a wiki, just do it"  :-)
 250 (11:55:05 AM) joanie: something like that Bryen
 251 (11:55:10 AM) joanie: I'm not saying the ML is a bad idea
 252 (11:55:11 AM) heidi: OK, sure. 
 253 (11:55:17 AM) joanie: but the wiki is a more collaborative tool
 254 (11:55:22 AM) Bryen: ML for questions and wiki for documentation
 255 (11:55:32 AM) stormy1: maybe they could put them in the wiki
 256 (11:55:36 AM) joanie: and others interested in Caribou might find the wiki but never be on or interested in the ML
 257 (11:55:41 AM) stormy1: And if they don't get an answer quickly, ping the ML?
 258 (11:55:48 AM) joanie: stormy1: makes sense to me
 259 (11:56:03 AM) heidi: How about I put the questions on the wiki and then let the mailing list know that they're there?
 260 (11:56:07 AM) Bryen: Do people actually go to wiki to see questions being posted?
 261 (11:56:26 AM) Bryen: heidi,   That's a good middle ground, in my opinion.
 262 (11:56:35 AM) heidi: Ah, thanks. This is helpful!
 263 (11:56:47 AM) joanie: Bryen: If they know that there is a collaborative (and active) faq or design doc or whatever being written they will
 264 (11:56:58 AM) joanie: and we could add a link to that page on the main Caribou page
 265 (11:57:03 AM) heidi: Ah, great!
 266 (11:57:04 AM) joanie: so that others interested in Caribou will see it
 267 (11:57:11 AM) ***stormy1 highly recommends people subscribe to wiki pages they find interesting.
 268 (11:57:26 AM) heidi: Is the main Caribou page: http://live.gnome.org/Caribou/
 269 (11:57:35 AM) joanie: presumably
 270 (11:57:37 AM) ***joanie looks
 271 (11:57:42 AM) joanie: yup
 272 (11:57:48 AM) heidi: If so, I can create a link from that page.
 273 (11:57:52 AM) joanie: indeed
 274 (11:57:53 AM) heidi: Great! Thank you!
 275 (11:58:03 AM) joanie: and a new page in ... /Caribou/WhateverYouWant
 276 (11:58:07 AM) Bryen: Rockin'!
 277 (11:58:07 AM) heidi: :-)
 278 (11:58:22 AM) joanie: heidi: so you'll take the lead on that and just ping us when you have questions?
 279 (11:58:28 AM) joanie: Or is there anything else you need from us?
 280 (11:58:32 AM) heidi: I'll include an introductory paragraph to give folks a bit of background on what is happening.
 281 (11:58:45 AM) heidi: I've got all I need for the moment, thank you! 
 282 (11:58:51 AM) heidi: Yes, I'll take the lead and ping you. 
 283 (11:58:52 AM) joanie: awesome. And thank YOU
 284 (11:59:00 AM) heidi: Ah, mutual thanks!
 285 (11:59:03 AM) joanie: :-)
 286 (11:59:07 AM) joanie: 2 minutes left
 287 (11:59:11 AM) heidi: And this will be a couple of weeks in the making.
 288 (11:59:25 AM) joanie: So I'm going to toss out the following mostly for consideration and talk in Spain
 289 (11:59:32 AM) joanie: We don't have a GNOME a11y road map
 290 (11:59:40 AM) joanie: I found that surprising
 291 (11:59:48 AM) joanie: In retrospect, I shouldn't have
 292 (11:59:52 AM) joanie: but I think we need something
 293 (12:00:09 PM) joanie: Orca has a road map (still somewhat under construction) for the next two years
 294 (12:00:15 PM) joanie: I don't know if other teams do
 295 (12:00:27 PM) joanie: If they do, we should make each team's easier to find
 296 (12:00:31 PM) joanie: If they don't, should they?
 297 (12:00:39 PM) joanie: Etc.
 298 (12:00:51 PM) Bryen: I think once we define more clearly what GNOME-A11y's mission is, which we wanted to chat about in Spain, we can then formulate a proper road map.
 299 (12:00:59 PM) joanie: So Bryen, I'd like to get together with you and API... Exactly
 300 (12:01:16 PM) joanie: as part of the "unconference", anyone interested in this topic should join in a discussion
 301 (12:01:25 PM) joanie: because we can't be this "directionless" IMHO
 302 (12:01:34 PM) Bryen: +1
 303 (12:01:35 PM) joanie: yes? no?
 304 (12:01:54 PM) clown: +1
 305 (12:01:59 PM) aleiva: yes, we can't
 306 (12:02:26 PM) joanie: we've got much to do in Spain. :-)
 307 (12:02:32 PM) joanie: But it should be good
 308 (12:02:33 PM) aleiva: me too
 309 (12:02:39 PM) joanie: Parting shots?
 310 (12:03:13 PM) aleiva: :-) guys don't forget the beer fest
 311 (12:03:32 PM) clown: aleiva: will there be cider?
 312 (12:03:36 PM) clown: :-)
 313 (12:03:37 PM) joanie: aleiva: heh. That's the main reason I'm crossing the atlantic :-P
 314 (12:03:39 PM) Bryen: aleiva,   Kinda hard to forget.   I think its the main reason any FOSS group gets together  :-)
 315 (12:03:43 PM) aleiva: clown: I don't recommend you
 316 (12:03:44 PM) Bryen: see?!
 317 (12:04:02 PM) aleiva: awesome
 318 (12:04:06 PM) clown: aleiva:  you don't recommend that I what?
 319 (12:04:12 PM) aleiva: clown: cider
 320 (12:04:22 PM) clown: shandies?
 321 (12:04:40 PM) ***Bryen hears sevilla is famous for oranges and is half-expecting orange beer
 322 (12:04:41 PM) ***clown isn't really into beer. :-(
 323 (12:04:55 PM) korn: I hear there are some amazing Spanish wines...
 324 (12:05:00 PM) joanie: okay, I am totally in favor of discussing booze and think it should continue. But officially, I'm declaring this meeting over. 
 325 (12:05:04 PM) ***joanie bangs gavel