(11:02:17 AM) joanie: Hey folks. Meeting time.
(11:02:25 AM) bnitz: yay!
(11:02:52 AM) ***Bryen performs the customary ceremonial secret handshake of the meeting
(11:03:16 AM) msanchez: JFTR, API is not going to attend today (on holidays)
(11:03:22 AM) joanie: API is on holiday this week, so I'm afraid you're stuck with me
(11:03:43 AM) Bryen: there are worse things than that in this world, joanie   :-)
(11:03:56 AM) joanie: And, fates be praised, this should be the last meeting to talk about AEGIS
(11:04:00 AM) Bryen: heidi!!!
(11:04:07 AM) joanie: (thanks Bryen)
(11:04:13 AM) heidi: Hey bryen!
(11:04:15 AM) joanie: So.... aleiva, you around?
(11:04:19 AM) Pendulum: joanie: knock wood now :P
(11:04:50 AM) aleiva: o/
(11:04:55 AM) joanie: \o
(11:05:00 AM) joanie: hotel update?
(11:05:35 AM) aleiva: as a I said all this weekend, the booking is done
(11:06:10 AM) aleiva: I'm finishing with GNOME Foundation some invoice details (waiting response from them)
(11:06:43 AM) aleiva: finally the choosed hotel is tryp macarena
(11:06:51 AM) joanie: awesome. Nice to have this all set.
(11:07:05 AM) aleiva: final price if I remember is 80 single 90 double, euros currency
(11:07:24 AM) yippi: hi
(11:07:32 AM) joanie: hey yippi
(11:07:40 AM) Bryen: aleiva,   as you said yesterday and I want to verify that we're clear on this....  Those of us who requested extra nights have that included in the package and we'll reimburse GNOME Foundation for those extra nights.  Correct?
(11:07:50 AM) Bryen: Yippi for yippi!
(11:08:11 AM) aleiva: Bryen: first part is absolutely true, the booking is done also for extra nights
(11:08:26 AM) aleiva: Bryen: the second part it depends of gnome foundation say
(11:08:39 AM) Bryen: uhmm
(11:08:41 AM) aleiva: Bryen: jI'm just waiting the response from them
(11:09:02 AM) Bryen: I hope they hurry up and settle up since I'm leaving the country this weekend and have already told my interpreters where to show up next saturday.
(11:09:06 AM) aleiva: I'll send a ping mail today
(11:09:12 AM) clown: aleiva:  this is the hotel, right? http://es.solmelia.com/nHoteles/jsp/C_Hotel_Content.jsp?idSolRes=4102&tab=description&codigoHotel=4102
(11:09:41 AM) aleiva: clown: exactly
(11:09:47 AM) clown: aleiva:  thanks
(11:10:15 AM) aleiva: clown: yw :)
(11:10:17 AM) joanie: Thanks again aleiva for doing all that work! (Anyone have other hotel questions?)
(11:10:35 AM) joanie: Going once.... Going twice....
(11:10:45 AM) aleiva: only one
(11:10:47 AM) ***clown listening for gavel.
(11:10:52 AM) Bryen: only the comment I made  :-)
(11:11:07 AM) aleiva: Bryen: which one
(11:11:27 AM) ***joanie positions gavel and waits
(11:11:28 AM) Bryen: about getting verification from GNO-FO tht this is approved
(11:11:44 AM) aleiva: btw, I expect this week to send an email to gnome-a11y mail list about all the closed details
(11:11:45 AM) ***Bryen doesn't want to meet two angry interpreters at the hotel only to find we didn't get our rooms approved  :-)
(11:12:02 AM) aleiva: Bryen: gnome foundation is funding you and your two interpreters
(11:12:08 AM) aleiva: Bryen: that's not the problem
(11:12:20 AM) aleiva: Bryen: the problem is how we are going to manage extra nights
(11:12:32 AM) Bryen: aleiva,   Its the extra nights I'm referring to
(11:12:36 AM) aleiva: gnome foundation pay? everyone pay to gnome foundation?
(11:12:50 AM) aleiva: Bryen: I lost today my cristal ball :)
(11:13:14 AM) aleiva: crystal*
(11:13:17 AM) joanie: And keeping in mind the "no deep dive/15 minute limit" rule Bryen and others have suggested....
(11:13:30 AM) Bryen: moving on!
(11:13:33 AM) aleiva: Bryen: If you want
(11:13:33 AM) joanie: Those of us staying extra should stay in touch with aleiva
(11:13:38 AM) aleiva: joanie: sorry give me one minute
(11:13:45 AM) joanie: yessir go ahead
(11:14:01 AM) aleiva: Bryen: if you want, you can make pressure with me to german poo about all this question
(11:14:09 AM) stormy1: aleiva, I believe the GNOME Foundation has no problem paying for the extra nights and getting reimbursed if there is an easy way for individuals to reimburse the foundation.
(11:14:19 AM) aleiva: oh one stormy1 
(11:14:23 AM) joanie: hey stormy1 :-)
(11:14:31 AM) aleiva: stormy1: ok, thanks
(11:14:37 AM) stormy1: For people who are having airfare or train sponsored, it's easy. We can deduct the costs from what we owe in assistance.
(11:15:17 AM) Bryen: Thanks stormy1 
(11:15:18 AM) joanie: stormy1: I can provide a credit card. I already give to the Foundation each year, so I hope I'm trustworthy. ;-)
(11:15:30 AM) aleiva: stormy1: that's my idea, but obviously I need confirmation :)
(11:15:42 AM) Bryen: ok, done with hotel?   Cuz I have a printing question
(11:15:58 AM) ***joanie looks at agenda and doesn't see "printing" :-)
(11:16:07 AM) joanie: Bryen: Ok, go ahead
(11:16:16 AM) Bryen: well it was kinda last minute....  :-)
(11:16:23 AM) joanie: (teasing)
(11:16:53 AM) Bryen: I have my cards here that I'll bring with me to AEGIS.   And I spoke with Fer yesterday and he said he's going to contact ONCE to see if they're still willing to do free braille printouts of the same material.
(11:16:59 AM) Bryen: (cards = brochures)
(11:17:14 AM) Bryen: and this mornign I noticed Fer said he may not make it until the 6th (opening day)
(11:17:29 AM) Bryen: so my question is, is there alternatives if ONCE doesn't do it for braille printers in the area?
(11:18:26 AM) Bryen: btw:  Anyone know the expected attendance at AEGIS conference?   
(11:18:47 AM) ***joanie wonders if Korn is really here
(11:19:01 AM) korn: I'm here, but finishing up a call.
(11:19:17 AM) Bryen: ok we can ask korn afterward and proceed with this meeting
(11:19:24 AM) joanie: Bryen: sounds good
(11:19:27 AM) joanie: clown: posters
(11:19:38 AM) clown: joanie:  right
(11:20:01 AM) clown: I was contacted this morning by one of the AEGIS organizsers.  Quoting from the email:
(11:20:11 AM) clown: Joseph, could you please provide us with the GNOME posters layout by end of tomorrow-Friday, Sep 24th (or at latest by Monday morning) if you want us to print them? We will need some time for printing, that is why we are now in hurry. 
(11:20:47 AM) clown: I'm inferring that if any of you are providing posters, and want them printed, you should contact this organizer.
(11:20:56 AM) clown: does anyone need his contact information?
(11:21:36 AM) clown: if you do, ask me, and I'll provide it.
(11:21:53 AM) joanie: clown: for the purpose of meeting minutes, etc. Mind providing it?
(11:22:21 AM) clown: joanie:  I don't mind... *looking it up*
(11:22:43 AM) clown: Lenka.Kasparova@Sun.COM
(11:22:56 AM) joanie: awesome thank you
(11:23:02 AM) korn: Hi all, I'm back.  Sorry for not fully being here.
(11:23:16 AM) korn: Lenka's e-mail address going forward is Lenka.Kasparova@oracle.com
(11:23:39 AM) clown: also, if you have a poster, please add it to the wik (http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010#AEGIS_Posters)
(11:23:39 AM) korn: Poster templates should be up on the aegis-conference.eu website.
(11:23:44 AM) joanie: korn: would you happen to have the figures on expected attendance for the conference?
(11:24:05 AM) clown: s/wik/wiki/
(11:24:19 AM) clown: that's all I have on posters/aegis...
(11:24:24 AM) joanie: thanks clown!
(11:24:27 AM) korn: I don't know the very latest figures Joanie, sorry.
(11:24:33 AM) clown: welcome
(11:24:38 AM) joanie: what would you ballpark them at?
(11:24:47 AM) korn: What is the context for this question?
(11:25:07 AM) joanie: Bryen asked w.r.t. alternative formats for materials
(11:25:30 AM) korn: Ah... OK.
(11:26:01 AM) Bryen: korn,   got an off the top figure?  Like 300 or 900?   (Makes a difference in the amount of post cards I'll bring with me)
(11:26:25 AM) korn: Based on the number of folks I've seen so far from blindness organizations (and the number of "attendants" signed up), I'd just not more than 20 copies of material in Braille format.
(11:26:54 AM) korn: Also....   !  what material do you want to provide?
(11:27:05 AM) korn: We're giving every conference attende a USB stick
(11:27:28 AM) korn: If you have material we can put into a "GNOME" folder on that stick, that may be a nice option.
(11:27:38 AM) joanie: great idea
(11:27:45 AM) Bryen: korn,   I created a 5x7 postcard that we're giving out at the booth.   So Fer says he can try to get someone to print braille versions of it.  But I'm looking for alternative solutions in case that one doesn't come through
(11:28:30 AM) korn: In general there's been a move away from Braille and toward accessible electronic format materials.
(11:28:39 AM) korn: (at all disability conferences I attend)
(11:28:56 AM) korn: Also, consider providing material in DAISY format.  
(11:28:57 AM) Bryen: ok then I can say to people that request"  We have the braille version on your stick"
(11:29:07 AM) joanie: Then I think we should also stop providing print. ;-)
(11:29:07 AM) Bryen: or not the braille version per se but you know what I mean  :-)
(11:29:21 AM) korn: I happen to know about a neat open source application that has a neat open source plug-in to create DAISY books... :-)
(11:29:28 AM) joanie: :-)
(11:29:36 AM) korn: (using a neat open source TTS engine in multiple languages)
(11:29:40 AM) joanie: For the purpose of the minutes korn would you like to provide a link?
(11:29:45 AM) Bryen: I heard about that at the CSUN conf.   I should look into it.
(11:30:02 AM) korn: http://odt2daisy.sourceforge.net/
(11:30:17 AM) joanie: okay, we're in danger of this being a deep-dive
(11:30:19 AM) korn: It's an AEGIS-funded plugin to OpenOffice.org that uses eSpeak to create full DAISY books.
(11:30:34 AM) korn: Contact me off-line for any further diving.
(11:30:37 AM) joanie: so any final words on this general topic
(11:30:42 AM) joanie: (Peter, I didn't mean you)
(11:30:52 AM) joanie: (we have a new "cap" on topics)
(11:30:55 AM) Bryen: none by me
(11:31:07 AM) ***joanie moves on
(11:31:12 AM) joanie: Virtual Hackfest
(11:31:31 AM) joanie: I went through all of the GNOME "blocking" bugs for Orca and have a tentative list
(11:31:39 AM) joanie: lots and lots of Evolution bugs :-)
(11:32:01 AM) joanie: anyhoo, aleiva and I have our meeting after this one. So we'll come up with a final list of proposed bugs and put it on the wiki
(11:32:01 AM) Bryen: mm...  the Evo bugs may be difficult to tackle :-(
(11:32:21 AM) joanie: Bryen: Dare I ask why?
(11:32:55 AM) Bryen: joanie,   priorities in the evo team have changed drastically in the last year or so.   Corporate politics and all.   That's why they're not tending to them bugs as they should have 
(11:33:25 AM) Bryen: I'll poke them about the virtual hackfest, but doubtful their manager is even going to allow them to work on it.
(11:33:42 AM) joanie: stormy1: yippi: I assume you saw what Bryen just said
(11:34:27 AM) ***joanie moves on
(11:34:38 AM) joanie: Scheduling meetings versus unconference
(11:35:06 AM) joanie: I added that one because I'm looking at everyone aleiva and I need to meet with, and considering the conference events, etc., etc. and wondering how it's all going to get done
(11:35:24 AM) joanie: However, I like unconferences much more than rigidly-scheduled things
(11:35:28 AM) joanie: so ... I dunno.... 
(11:35:34 AM) joanie: what do you all think we should do?
(11:35:38 AM) Bryen: I'd rather go with unconferences as well
(11:35:59 AM) korn: joanie: I think the main question is whether we'll have anyone participating remotely in any of these discussions.
(11:36:04 AM) yippi: joanie, were you just highlighting that evolution is under-resourced?
(11:36:16 AM) korn: For any of those, I think scheduling makes senese.
(11:36:22 AM) Bryen: yippi,   yes that's basicailly it
(11:36:25 AM) joanie: yippi: basically. It's the "other people's bugs" problem
(11:36:38 AM) joanie: which is out of our hands, and yet affects GNOME and its accessibility
(11:36:44 AM) joanie: and is thus something the Board should be aware of
(11:37:21 AM) joanie: korn: all official meetings (e.g. testing) are scheduled
(11:37:48 AM) joanie: What I was refering to more is that: clown and fer and aleiva and I should meet around magnification
(11:37:49 AM) korn: joanie: then I'd suggest you have scheduled what you need to schedule, and keeping the rest un-ish makes sense.
(11:37:58 AM) joanie: and msanchez and aleiva and I should meet around webkit
(11:38:04 AM) joanie: and there's firefox
(11:38:08 AM) joanie: and leadership stuff
(11:38:10 AM) joanie: and gnome-shell
(11:38:13 AM) joanie: etc., etc.
(11:38:25 AM) joanie: and I want to be sure that if we're all in the same room(s) we all get to meet
(11:38:26 AM) Bryen: what we need is a stenographer  :-)
(11:38:28 AM) aleiva: excessive amount of meetings detected :)
(11:38:33 AM) joanie: and I fear that we won't be able to
(11:38:38 AM) joanie: aleiva: (I know)
(11:39:14 AM) joanie: But my point is that we need to maximize our time together since it happens so infrequently
(11:39:17 AM) aleiva: I like unconference
(11:39:34 AM) msanchez: me too, but i't
(11:39:50 AM) msanchez: but it's obvious some kind of organization would help
(11:39:59 AM) joanie: :-)
(11:40:04 AM) mgorse: It sounds like people just need to hook up with the individuals they want to meet with and figure out a good time, and then maybe whoever else wants to join can, which is what happens in an unconference anyway maybe
(11:40:24 AM) joanie: mgorse: Right. But some of us need to "hook up" with quite a few folks
(11:41:10 AM) prlw1: mgorse: Will you be going for sure?
(11:41:25 AM) mgorse: prlw1: Yes. That reminds me that I need to update the wiki
(11:41:32 AM) joanie: anyhoo, cap....
(11:41:34 AM) Bryen: joanie,   I guess we're going to be spending a lot of time in the hotel lounge afterward then  :-)
(11:41:35 AM) prlw1: mgorse: :-)
(11:41:45 AM) msanchez: what if we setup a wiki page with all the topics needing meetings and write the names of involved people down there?
(11:41:45 AM) joanie: So the conclusion is that we'll do it unconference style
(11:41:51 AM) joanie: msanchez: +1
(11:41:57 AM) joanie: I was just going to suggest something like that
(11:42:35 AM) msanchez: never been in an unconference before so if most people think it's ok that way I'm ok. But I was thinking of people like joanie (having to meet many people there) or those attending remotely
(11:43:04 AM) msanchez: if we set up a wiki for that in a further step we (even in a non strict way) could better organize ourselves to meet in exact date and time
(11:43:07 AM) msanchez: I guess :-)
(11:43:15 AM) joanie: msanchez: an unconference with an optional sign-up sheet on the wiki will be a good solution I think
(11:43:33 AM) msanchez: works for me
(11:43:53 AM) joanie: awesome
(11:43:55 AM) joanie: moving on
(11:44:05 AM) Bryen: Folks:  Important reminder for those of you who are sponsored to travel,  BLOG BLOG BLOG before, during and after and be sure to put the "Sponsored by GNOME Foundation" badge on your posts.   I'll send an email link out with the link to the badge
(11:44:05 AM) joanie: Just a reminder that there is "homework" on the wiki
(11:44:25 AM) joanie: We'll get a lot more done at the testing and documentation sessions if we show up prepared
(11:44:35 AM) Bryen: joanie,   Do we want to do the a11y@bryen mailing list again like we did at CSUN so we can all find each other?
(11:44:39 AM) joanie: any other aegis things? Quickly?
(11:44:44 AM) joanie: Bryen: Sure
(11:44:52 AM) joanie: Bryen: could you please add that to the wiki?
(11:44:54 AM) korn: Just a coule quick thinks joanie
(11:44:57 AM) Bryen: will do
(11:45:11 AM) korn: We are going to have an 'eSpeak Tuning' room running for much of the conference
(11:45:24 AM) korn: The focus will be on improving eSpeak for various languages.
(11:45:38 AM) Bryen: collecting voices?
(11:45:48 AM) korn: Jerry Dimitriou from SingularLogic - an AEGIS partner - will be staffing that room and working to improve eSpeak.
(11:46:20 AM) korn: What we hope to do at the conference is bring native speakers of various languages in to this room, and work with them on finding out places where eSpeak isn't speaking as well as it might, in order to improve it.
(11:46:42 AM) korn: We'll have a sign up for this at the registration desk.
(11:46:56 AM) korn: It'll be open on Thursday afternoon and most of Friday.
(11:47:11 AM) joanie: korn: great. Could  you also please put something on the wiki so that people keep it in mind?
(11:47:36 AM) korn: ummm.... yah.  The main place I'm working on getting it is at aegis-conference.du
(11:47:45 AM) korn: ^du^eu
(11:48:00 AM) joanie: understood. But we'll be scheduling things based on what's on the wiki. :-)
(11:48:12 AM) korn: Yah, I know.
(11:48:13 AM) joanie: Or not scheduling as much as planning/fitting in
(11:48:25 AM) korn: But that gets influenced by what is on the main AEGIS programme for Th & Fri, right?
(11:48:38 AM) joanie: on those days people do what they want
(11:48:43 AM) korn: (e.g. don't have much hackfest stuff going on during the AEGIS conference desktop sessions...)
(11:48:44 AM) Bryen: Another reminder to everyone to pay registration if you want to attend the actual AEGIS Conf.   I'll pay for mine on site.
(11:48:58 AM) korn: Bryen: thanks, that was my second topic.
(11:49:04 AM) joanie: korn: We don't have "scheduled" things going on Thursday and Friday
(11:49:19 AM) joanie: but those are the "getting things done" days (smaller group/individual meetings)
(11:49:25 AM) korn: I saw very few registrations from GNOME folks when I saw the list some time back.
(11:49:39 AM) Bryen: korn,   I haven't paid yet because I'm uncomfortable with sending CC information via email
(11:49:40 AM) korn: Please everyone - register if you plan to attend!
(11:49:59 AM) danigm_out is now known as danigm
(11:50:13 AM) korn: Bryen: I thought there was a fax option.  Perhaps not (a minion was involved in my case)
(11:50:41 AM) clown: korn, Bryen:  Jan has registered using the fax option.
(11:50:53 AM) Bryen: I don't have a landline phone here but I guess I should have looked into online fax options
(11:51:05 AM) ***clown looking for more info about how Jan did it.
(11:51:32 AM) korn: Anyway... don't want to deep dive here on a single person's registration.  The point is: all of you: please register if you haven't yet.
(11:51:36 AM) joanie: okay, with 9 minutes left and still talking about aegis
(11:51:58 AM) korn: eSpeak tuning info is at: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/espeak.html
(11:52:05 AM) Bryen: as someone posted on my blog recently.... AEGIS RULEZZZ!   :-)
(11:52:10 AM) korn: ***korn shuts up about AEGIS now
(11:52:11 AM) joanie: And looking at a bunch of things on the agenda we're clearly not going to get too....
(11:52:14 AM) joanie: to even
(11:52:28 AM) joanie: Let's jump to Heidi's topic
(11:52:34 AM) joanie: Best way to get feedback to students on Caribou functionality and requirements
(11:52:41 AM) joanie: thoughts?
(11:52:57 AM) Bryen: email to list?
(11:53:04 AM) heidi: I have student writing a requirements document for Caribou. They've been collecting questions of things that they can't determine from existing docs.
(11:53:09 AM) Bryen: That way not only do they get info, but the rest of the world sees that there's activity going on
(11:53:38 AM) heidi: I will organize and eliminate duplicate questions as well as answer any that I can myself. 
(11:53:48 AM) heidi: But there will still be a number remaining. 
(11:53:56 AM) joanie: Could we set up an area on live.gnome.org/Caribou/Foo
(11:54:19 AM) heidi: I'd be happy to email them to the list. Just checking that that is the desired communication mechanism. 
(11:54:25 AM) Bryen: heidi,   Unless they're really over simple questions,  why not answer their questions via the ML?   Give the world a chance to see you in action as the awesome teacher you are  :-)
(11:54:28 AM) joanie: Personally I don't see any reason why students can't use the wiki
(11:54:36 AM) heidi: :-)
(11:54:56 AM) Bryen: As the saying goes.... "It's a wiki, just do it"  :-)
(11:55:05 AM) joanie: something like that Bryen
(11:55:10 AM) joanie: I'm not saying the ML is a bad idea
(11:55:11 AM) heidi: OK, sure. 
(11:55:17 AM) joanie: but the wiki is a more collaborative tool
(11:55:22 AM) Bryen: ML for questions and wiki for documentation
(11:55:32 AM) stormy1: maybe they could put them in the wiki
(11:55:36 AM) joanie: and others interested in Caribou might find the wiki but never be on or interested in the ML
(11:55:41 AM) stormy1: And if they don't get an answer quickly, ping the ML?
(11:55:48 AM) joanie: stormy1: makes sense to me
(11:56:03 AM) heidi: How about I put the questions on the wiki and then let the mailing list know that they're there?
(11:56:07 AM) Bryen: Do people actually go to wiki to see questions being posted?
(11:56:26 AM) Bryen: heidi,   That's a good middle ground, in my opinion.
(11:56:35 AM) heidi: Ah, thanks. This is helpful!
(11:56:47 AM) joanie: Bryen: If they know that there is a collaborative (and active) faq or design doc or whatever being written they will
(11:56:58 AM) joanie: and we could add a link to that page on the main Caribou page
(11:57:03 AM) heidi: Ah, great!
(11:57:04 AM) joanie: so that others interested in Caribou will see it
(11:57:11 AM) ***stormy1 highly recommends people subscribe to wiki pages they find interesting.
(11:57:26 AM) heidi: Is the main Caribou page: http://live.gnome.org/Caribou/
(11:57:35 AM) joanie: presumably
(11:57:37 AM) ***joanie looks
(11:57:42 AM) joanie: yup
(11:57:48 AM) heidi: If so, I can create a link from that page.
(11:57:52 AM) joanie: indeed
(11:57:53 AM) heidi: Great! Thank you!
(11:58:03 AM) joanie: and a new page in ... /Caribou/WhateverYouWant
(11:58:07 AM) Bryen: Rockin'!
(11:58:07 AM) heidi: :-)
(11:58:22 AM) joanie: heidi: so you'll take the lead on that and just ping us when you have questions?
(11:58:28 AM) joanie: Or is there anything else you need from us?
(11:58:32 AM) heidi: I'll include an introductory paragraph to give folks a bit of background on what is happening.
(11:58:45 AM) heidi: I've got all I need for the moment, thank you! 
(11:58:51 AM) heidi: Yes, I'll take the lead and ping you. 
(11:58:52 AM) joanie: awesome. And thank YOU
(11:59:00 AM) heidi: Ah, mutual thanks!
(11:59:03 AM) joanie: :-)
(11:59:07 AM) joanie: 2 minutes left
(11:59:11 AM) heidi: And this will be a couple of weeks in the making.
(11:59:25 AM) joanie: So I'm going to toss out the following mostly for consideration and talk in Spain
(11:59:32 AM) joanie: We don't have a GNOME a11y road map
(11:59:40 AM) joanie: I found that surprising
(11:59:48 AM) joanie: In retrospect, I shouldn't have
(11:59:52 AM) joanie: but I think we need something
(12:00:09 PM) joanie: Orca has a road map (still somewhat under construction) for the next two years
(12:00:15 PM) joanie: I don't know if other teams do
(12:00:27 PM) joanie: If they do, we should make each team's easier to find
(12:00:31 PM) joanie: If they don't, should they?
(12:00:39 PM) joanie: Etc.
(12:00:51 PM) Bryen: I think once we define more clearly what GNOME-A11y's mission is, which we wanted to chat about in Spain, we can then formulate a proper road map.
(12:00:59 PM) joanie: So Bryen, I'd like to get together with you and API... Exactly
(12:01:16 PM) joanie: as part of the "unconference", anyone interested in this topic should join in a discussion
(12:01:25 PM) joanie: because we can't be this "directionless" IMHO
(12:01:34 PM) Bryen: +1
(12:01:35 PM) joanie: yes? no?
(12:01:54 PM) clown: +1
(12:01:59 PM) aleiva: yes, we can't
(12:02:26 PM) joanie: we've got much to do in Spain. :-)
(12:02:32 PM) joanie: But it should be good
(12:02:33 PM) aleiva: me too
(12:02:39 PM) joanie: Parting shots?
(12:03:13 PM) aleiva: :-) guys don't forget the beer fest
(12:03:32 PM) clown: aleiva: will there be cider?
(12:03:36 PM) clown: :-)
(12:03:37 PM) joanie: aleiva: heh. That's the main reason I'm crossing the atlantic :-P
(12:03:39 PM) Bryen: aleiva,   Kinda hard to forget.   I think its the main reason any FOSS group gets together  :-)
(12:03:43 PM) aleiva: clown: I don't recommend you
(12:03:44 PM) Bryen: see?!
(12:04:02 PM) aleiva: awesome
(12:04:06 PM) clown: aleiva:  you don't recommend that I what?
(12:04:12 PM) aleiva: clown: cider
(12:04:22 PM) clown: shandies?
(12:04:40 PM) ***Bryen hears sevilla is famous for oranges and is half-expecting orange beer
(12:04:41 PM) ***clown isn't really into beer. :-(
(12:04:55 PM) korn: I hear there are some amazing Spanish wines...
(12:05:00 PM) joanie: okay, I am totally in favor of discussing booze and think it should continue. But officially, I'm declaring this meeting over. 
(12:05:04 PM) ***joanie bangs gavel