Aug 19 09:01:49 * Now talking on #a11y Aug 19 09:03:41 * joanie waves to API Aug 19 09:07:54 * API just giving some peace before the storm Aug 19 09:08:09 well, about 5 minutes over the Aug 19 09:08:12 * joanie looks for her umbrella Aug 19 09:08:15 time Aug 19 09:08:29 so I guess that we can start the meeting Aug 19 09:09:40 * API opening minutes, some issue with the web connection Aug 19 09:09:50 o/ Aug 19 09:10:07 well, I was interchanging some mail with German Poo Aug 19 09:10:12 during this week Aug 19 09:10:34 * API German Poo on the travel comitte Aug 19 09:10:51 about the list of people going to AEGIS Aug 19 09:11:19 German had some hardware problems with his laptop Aug 19 09:11:25 so it was slow Aug 19 09:11:40 the communication Aug 19 09:12:04 he will sent the list Aug 19 09:12:17 today or tomorrow Aug 19 09:12:51 API list of what *exactly*? approved people and approved for amounts? Or something else? Aug 19 09:14:10 people that applied for the travel committe form Aug 19 09:14:16 willing to go to AEGIS Aug 19 09:14:53 so we could make the budget estimation that foundation asked for Aug 19 09:15:12 okay. Thanks. Aug 19 09:16:41 and now, about the hotel Aug 19 09:17:06 API aleiva has to go to another meeting but is texting me now. just a sec Aug 19 09:17:15 ah ok Aug 19 09:17:16 * FlaPer87 (~flavioper@83-103-19-90.ip.fastwebnet.it) has joined #a11y Aug 19 09:18:06 API: this is more detailed than I expected. Let's move on and then come back to the hotel Aug 19 09:19:18 ok Aug 19 09:20:09 * API checking agenda Aug 19 09:20:16 ok, alternative funding ideas Aug 19 09:20:23 Bryen, any update about that? Aug 19 09:26:17 well, it seems that Bryen is just connected Aug 19 09:26:23 but afk Aug 19 09:26:38 Posters Aug 19 09:26:50 in my personal case I still need to update my Aug 19 09:26:56 paper Aug 19 09:27:06 but I think that I will not write the poster Aug 19 09:27:07 API you were going to send me what you had from the organizers? Aug 19 09:27:15 as it mostly would overlap Aug 19 09:27:25 the gnome-a11y poster Aug 19 09:27:38 joanie, you mean my current paper and the corrections? Aug 19 09:27:57 No, though I'd be happy to look at that Aug 19 09:28:07 I thought you had mentioned last week you had some guidelines Aug 19 09:28:11 ah Aug 19 09:28:13 about poster format and content etc. Aug 19 09:28:13 yeah Aug 19 09:28:22 * API searching the link Aug 19 09:28:27 I've not started the Orca poster yet. Guess I should soon Aug 19 09:28:29 thanks Aug 19 09:28:41 http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/posters.html Aug 19 09:28:52 oh heh Aug 19 09:29:00 I thought it was something you got via email Aug 19 09:29:02 my bad Aug 19 09:29:03 thanks! Aug 19 09:29:15 yes, I receive a mail saying Aug 19 09:29:24 please write a poster Aug 19 09:29:28 guidelines on this link Aug 19 09:29:28 ;) Aug 19 09:29:32 :-P Aug 19 09:32:21 we also have the testing session details item Aug 19 09:32:38 yeah, and I was hoping to have an update from Peter or Brian Aug 19 09:32:41 which I don't Aug 19 09:32:41 last new is that probably Brian Nitz or some people interested Aug 19 09:32:51 So I have just jotted down a note to ping Peter again Aug 19 09:32:55 wouldn't be phisically on Seville Aug 19 09:33:08 really? Aug 19 09:33:13 I think Brian is coming Aug 19 09:34:04 hmm Aug 19 09:34:11 API, glancing over the email Peter sent about enabling remote access.... Aug 19 09:34:22 yes, I was talking about that Aug 19 09:34:24 He says, " Also at CSUN we had a number of folks (like Brian) attending remotely. " Aug 19 09:34:32 Brian was on the phone from Ireland last time Aug 19 09:34:43 to my knowledge he will be physically present at AEGIS Aug 19 09:34:55 ah ok Aug 19 09:34:57 yes Aug 19 09:35:05 I think Peter was asking in terms of other people who might wish to be there Aug 19 09:35:31 yes, you are right, he mentioned that and used Brian CSUN example Aug 19 09:35:35 thanks Aug 19 09:35:41 I mixed things Aug 19 09:35:45 so Aug 19 09:36:05 the question is that there we are thinking Aug 19 09:36:07 * Bryen overslept but is here now Aug 19 09:36:15 on enable remote access Aug 19 09:36:22 for the people interested Aug 19 09:36:27 in some of the meeting Aug 19 09:36:32 ie: testing one Aug 19 09:36:42 API if you'll recall how CSUN went.... Aug 19 09:36:56 I think we spent at least 1/3 of the time dealing with remote access issues Aug 19 09:37:07 getting it working, please repeat the question, I didn't hear that Aug 19 09:37:08 etc. Aug 19 09:37:47 What I personally think we need to walk away from that session with is a concrete plan which we all can actually implement on returning home Aug 19 09:38:04 I think the time for talking about testing has long since expired Aug 19 09:38:10 we need to get sh*t done Aug 19 09:38:30 well, other of the reasons for the testing item on agenda Aug 19 09:38:33 and I think that the key people who will be implementing such solutions will be at AEGIS Aug 19 09:38:39 was being updated Aug 19 09:38:44 of what had beed done Aug 19 09:38:55 you don't need live access for that Aug 19 09:39:10 a report on what has been done is a report; not a discussion topic IMHO Aug 19 09:39:25 and this is, of course, just my opinion Aug 19 09:39:36 yeah, I understand Aug 19 09:39:36 I'm not morally opposed to remote attendees Aug 19 09:39:41 I just see it as a distraction Aug 19 09:39:45 and sucker-upper of time Aug 19 09:39:48 the issue here, is if there are a lot of people interested on that Aug 19 09:43:05 so for the next week, we could check the people interested in this kind of remote support Aug 19 09:43:29 perhaps you could ask on the gnome-a11y-list?? Aug 19 09:45:13 yeah, it should be the best idea Aug 19 09:45:20 moving Aug 19 09:45:35 Bryen, sorry Aug 19 09:45:45 we were just on the middle of the topic Aug 19 09:45:51 if you didn't got sleep Aug 19 09:46:06 would you like to add something to the answer I made before? Aug 19 09:46:45 ok, alternative funding ideas Aug 19 09:46:45 Bryen, any update about that? Aug 19 09:48:05 API, No word back yet from the one that is currently in circulation internally within that organization., but still some promise Aug 19 09:48:22 For other two, no luck at all. No funds left in the FY for that Aug 19 09:48:32 and the final one, no word back yet. Aug 19 09:49:02 And until I hear either way from anyone else, there won't be any further updates on this. Aug 19 09:49:28 Bryen, ok thanks Aug 19 09:50:02 joanie, can we go back to the hotel stuff? Aug 19 09:50:11 sure Aug 19 09:50:18 I don't think aleiva is back Aug 19 09:50:23 * joanie kicks aleiva just in case Aug 19 09:50:27 But as always, I will always be on the lookout for funding opportunitites, as there will be continued need for it throughout the year on various initiatives. Aug 19 09:51:19 API so the hotel is tryp macarena Aug 19 09:51:40 which is the one AEGIS recommended as well Aug 19 09:51:51 I think Peter's been staying there Aug 19 09:51:53 Do we have to learn (or remember) how to do the macarena first before using that hotel? Aug 19 09:51:54 anyhoo Aug 19 09:52:28 It sounds like the woman Ale spoke with can get us a group discount but wants 10 people to do so Aug 19 09:52:37 and the discount would be 15% Aug 19 09:52:58 The one potential snag Ale mentioned is that they are all booked up on the 9th Aug 19 09:53:08 but I don't think that's a snag since that's the last day Aug 19 09:53:18 and I'm guessing most people will fly out on the 9th anyway Aug 19 09:53:27 (It's a snag for me, but I'll figure something out) Aug 19 09:53:41 so that mean that choosing that hotel Aug 19 09:53:48 we should "forget" Aug 19 09:53:52 this day Aug 19 09:54:11 although it was set as "wrap-up" day Aug 19 09:54:17 right Aug 19 09:54:21 but.... Aug 19 09:54:41 At least in the states, "booked up on the 9th" would mean we'd have to check out on the 9th Aug 19 09:54:46 at whatever check-out time is Aug 19 09:55:00 people flying out on the 9th would be checking out on the 9th Aug 19 09:55:17 you would be hard-pressed to be able to attend wrap up and fly out of Europe on the same day, at least to the U.S. Aug 19 09:55:26 really? Aug 19 09:55:28 okay Aug 19 09:55:32 so then I don't know what the plan is Aug 19 09:55:33 Typically, when leaving Europe, you need to be on a flight around noonish Aug 19 09:56:01 and since SVQ isn't a direct airport, you'd be leaving earlier :-) Aug 19 09:56:04 Bryen: API: perhaps then we wrap up for people who can wrap up, but make sure that anything important gets said and done by the 8th Aug 19 09:56:42 as I recall, we ended up with our wrapup the day before the end at CSUN too as too many people were leaving that Saturday Aug 19 09:56:53 So, it's do-able and did-able :-) Aug 19 09:56:59 Bryen: awesome Aug 19 09:57:03 * aleiva back Aug 19 09:57:09 joanie, Bryen ok Aug 19 09:57:11 aleiva: I gave most of your report Aug 19 09:57:19 But one thing I didn't quite get Aug 19 09:57:20 so I think that "remove that day" Aug 19 09:57:24 * aleiva reading buffer Aug 19 09:57:27 worths if we got that pricee Aug 19 09:57:37 aleiva reads the last part please Aug 19 09:57:37 (03:16:56 AM) Alejandro Leiva: I can send an email for a price Aug 19 09:57:38 (03:17:01 AM) Alejandro Leiva: With group discount Aug 19 09:57:38 (03:17:20 AM) Alejandro Leiva: Or choose a pre booking Aug 19 09:57:41 is about the hotel Aug 19 09:58:17 ok Aug 19 09:58:17 so 15% off of 70 Euros? Aug 19 09:58:28 Bryen: yup, but pre-paying Aug 19 09:58:59 Bryen: other option is (when we know exactly how many people will go to the hotel) send an email and she will make an offer Aug 19 09:59:04 Just hurry up and book it before the Euro goes up again :-) Aug 19 09:59:11 I tell her that we're a foundation and a group Aug 19 09:59:21 Bryen: you should be able to get to madrid in 40 mins by train Aug 19 09:59:28
  • hi guys Aug 19 09:59:34 hey li!! Aug 19 09:59:37 she's interested in get a ten person booking Aug 19 09:59:45
  • I can't believe I missed the meeting again! Aug 19 09:59:49 aleiva, don't let on to that person that this is the only hotel you're talking with. :-) Aug 19 09:59:50
  • it used to be 2 pm here Aug 19 09:59:56 API: do you know exactly how many people will go to the hotel? Aug 19 09:59:59 Bryen: of course Aug 19 10:00:15 Bryen: are you bringing two interpreters? Aug 19 10:00:25 aleiva, afaik no people made any book Aug 19 10:00:34 so I guess that if we got that price Aug 19 10:00:34 tomeu, Sure. But depends on what time the train to Madrid leaves and connects to the noonish overseas flight. All kinds of things to consider :-) Aug 19 10:00:37
  • did daylight saving end? Aug 19 10:00:42 all people Aug 19 10:00:45 li no, we moved the meeting Aug 19 10:00:50 are candidate to that Aug 19 10:01:02 API: around ten? Aug 19 10:01:08 aleiva, so this is another reason to get the list poeple from the travel committe Aug 19 10:01:14 API: yup Aug 19 10:01:15 aleiva, made a estimation using Aug 19 10:01:16
  • joanie, yes, I saw the mail, it is 7 am UTC Aug 19 10:01:20 the hackfest page Aug 19 10:01:23 joanie, I have not even gotten ack from board about my request for special consideraiton and I just found out tonight from one of the travel committee members that they did not receive any auth from board to allow this for consideration Aug 19 10:01:27 http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010 Aug 19 10:01:34 API: until that I can't send the email with exactly information about the booking Aug 19 10:01:49 API: because if we pre-pay it cannot be cancelled Aug 19 10:01:57 API: that's why I prefer to hear from her Aug 19 10:02:17 aleiva, yeah I know, this is the reason we need a definitive list of people Aug 19 10:02:35 API: anyway I'll call to other hotel to have a backup Aug 19 10:02:46 aleiva, ok, thanks Aug 19 10:02:51 thanks aleiva Aug 19 10:02:53 API: but I think that tryp macarena is the best choice Aug 19 10:02:56 yw Aug 19 10:03:20 is near in bus to the venue and is near of the main center town Aug 19 10:03:22 aleiva: if you'll find me a second-best choice so I'll not be homeless come the 9th ;-) Aug 19 10:03:30 10-15 minutes walking or three bus stations Aug 19 10:03:57 joanie: probably if we make the booking, and only one or two people left in the hotel from day 9 Aug 19 10:04:07 joanie: they sure will do space :) Aug 19 10:04:23 oh? so it's only if there are a bunch of us that it will be filled up? Aug 19 10:04:23 yeah, I'm tentatively planned to leave Sevilla on the 11th Aug 19 10:05:03 joanie: no, day 9 is full right now, but she told me that in september first week can confirm that Aug 19 10:05:11 okay Aug 19 10:05:31 If we do a pre-booking or reservation now the chances grow :) Aug 19 10:05:33 I also need to figure out when I should book it as I have to pay myself Aug 19 10:05:41 (chance to have room from day 9) Aug 19 10:05:44 Maybe we can reserve the hotel lobby sofa for those staying on the 9th? Aug 19 10:05:52 haha Aug 19 10:05:56 Bryen: it's an option Aug 19 10:06:17 Not really. I did that once, but was waaaaay younger and stupider when I did that. Aug 19 10:06:36 then Aug 19 10:06:46 I wait to API final list Aug 19 10:06:54 API: it's ok for you? Aug 19 10:06:57 aleiva, I wait to German mail ;) Aug 19 10:07:04 API: waiting chain :) Aug 19 10:07:05 aleiva, yes thank you very much Aug 19 10:07:26 API: yw Aug 19 10:07:39 well people Aug 19 10:07:42 time is over Aug 19 10:07:54 it was somewhat a slow pace meeting Aug 19 10:08:05 anyone wants a last-quick Aug 19 10:08:06 comment Aug 19 10:08:11 before close the meeting? Aug 19 10:08:31 * Bryen isn't capable of useful commenting at 3:08 a.m. Aug 19 10:08:39
  • I think mgorse want to talk to me about releasing at-spi? Aug 19 10:08:53
  • from last meeting minutes Aug 19 10:09:21
  • mgorse, are you there? Aug 19 10:10:02 ok good night folks Aug 19 10:10:09 nite Bryen Aug 19 10:10:09
  • OK, maybe I will send him a mail Aug 19 10:10:20
  • good night Bryen! Aug 19 10:10:37 li: As I recall the problem was with the default value of relocate Aug 19 10:11:00 which makes sense in a 3.0 world but not necessarily in a 2.32 world Aug 19 10:11:14
  • joanie, I saw that, do we all agree that at-spi corba should be the default for gnome 2.32? Aug 19 10:11:23 yeah Aug 19 10:11:35 bonobo deprecation is pushed back to 3.0 Aug 19 10:12:06
  • then I can do it at next release time, .91 I think? Aug 19 10:12:19 makes sense to me Aug 19 10:12:22 API? Aug 19 10:12:35 joanie? Aug 19 10:12:39 ^^^ Aug 19 10:13:36 you are asking about the next release time? Aug 19 10:13:46
  • I am trying accessibility bus these days, but it still doesn't work Aug 19 10:14:24 API: do we all agree that at-spi corba should be the default for gnome 2.32 and should li make that change (i.e. default value of relocate) next release (.91)? Aug 19 10:14:51 ah, ok Aug 19 10:15:02 well, I think that it is the sensible Aug 19 10:15:08 option right now Aug 19 10:15:12 I mean Aug 19 10:15:22 2.32 would have Aug 19 10:15:28 mostly 2.30 stuff Aug 19 10:15:33 but "improved" Aug 19 10:15:39 bug fixes and so on Aug 19 10:18:10 li, joanie something else? Aug 19 10:18:18 API not from me Aug 19 10:18:20
  • nop Aug 19 10:21:38 ok, meeting over guys! Aug 19 10:21:45 thanks for your presence Aug 19 10:22:14 * WaywardGeek (~WaywardGe@99-32-249-90.uvs.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net) has joined #a11y Aug 19 10:23:32 API, Still here Aug 19 10:23:52 Bryen, you want to add something? Aug 19 10:24:07 Just an FYI... I've been looking at airfare just now and prices for travel have gone up about 150-200 since I submitted the travel request Aug 19 10:25:27 I think I'm going to have to eat some of the cost for the interpreters since its higher than I originally submitted to board for. Aug 19 10:26:09 yeah, we need to make the final book asap Aug 19 10:26:19 the price would increase with the time Aug 19 10:26:43 sometimes it goes down. I found that waiting to 2 weeks prior once got me a bigger savings overall. You never know :-) Aug 19 10:27:19 but just to be aware, that whatever final budget the travel committee gives you doesn't include the two interpreters since the board didn't ack my request to allow interpreters to be considered yet. Aug 19 10:27:31 Bryen, yeah, but normally it is the opposite ;) Aug 19 10:28:10 Bryen, I asked German about that, and this would be mostly like a extra cost in your case Aug 19 10:28:30 well its definitely an extra cost ;-) Aug 19 10:28:36 in the same way, I explained that situation on that foundation meeting on GUADEC Aug 19 10:28:42 and they understood that Aug 19 10:28:54 they are mostly waiting for a final bugdet Aug 19 10:29:11 so they probably would decide about it as a whole Aug 19 10:30:54 ok well just so you know :-) Aug 19 10:31:01 I'm going to bed for sure now. Aug 19 10:32:37 Bryen, good night