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Download 1 (11:01:59 AM) API: well, people meeting time
2 (11:02:06 AM) ***API sending virtual broadcast
3 (11:02:15 AM) Bryen: me are here.
4 (11:02:54 AM) API: well, lets starts, first with our current "main topic"
5 (11:02:56 AM) API: aegis thing
6 (11:03:12 AM) API: I sent (yesterday, sorry) the mail to german poo
7 (11:03:31 AM) API: from the travel committe in order to have a aprox number of people asking for that
8 (11:03:33 AM) API: no answer
9 (11:03:35 AM) API: my faul
10 (11:03:36 AM) API: t
11 (11:03:43 AM) API: I should have sent that the last week
12 (11:04:03 AM) API: other point
13 (11:04:09 AM) API: seeing gtk mailing lists
14 (11:04:21 AM) API: due gtk hackfest
15 (11:04:23 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/GTK2010
16 (11:04:43 AM) API: they have already contacted the hotel, in order to prebook the rooms
17 (11:04:56 AM) API: and get a "group discount"
18 (11:05:05 AM) API: aleiva, and other local team
19 (11:05:08 AM) Bryen: where is A Coruña, Galicia?
20 (11:05:29 AM) API: Bryen, Spain, northwest, but it is a different hackfest ;)
21 (11:05:40 AM) API: aleiva, there is any possibility of any of you
22 (11:05:51 AM) API: to get in contact with any of the hotels and do something similar?
23 (11:05:57 AM) Bryen: yes I'm aware its a different hackfest, just wondering of the location
24 (11:06:08 AM) aleiva: API: umhh, I think Juanje did
25 (11:06:18 AM) aleiva: API: without success
26 (11:06:21 AM) joanie: aleiva: I think that was something different
27 (11:06:25 AM) aleiva: API: anyway I'll try again
28 (11:06:29 AM) API: Bryen, there are a google maps link with the exact direction
29 (11:06:31 AM) API: aleiva, ok
30 (11:06:41 AM) API: here
31 (11:06:43 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010
32 (11:06:50 AM) API: there are a full lists of hotels
33 (11:06:55 AM) aleiva: joanie: I remember that he also ask about group discount.
34 (11:07:04 AM) aleiva: joanie: anyway, we'll check again
35 (11:07:04 AM) API: using CSUN as example,
36 (11:07:10 AM) joanie: aleiva: okay, my bad
37 (11:07:11 AM) API: most of the people were in the same hotel
38 (11:07:21 AM) API: ok, thanks
39 (11:07:28 AM) joanie: I think it would be good if we were mostly in the same hotel for this one
40 (11:07:39 AM) API: I think that it would be really messy if all people start to get their rooms indivually
41 (11:07:42 AM) API: from the foundation pov
42 (11:07:51 AM) API: anyway, I also asked that on the mail I sent to german
43 (11:07:56 AM) Bryen: yes, it would be helpful to get the discount thing out of the way so we can make our reservations early without soldout rooms
44 (11:08:19 AM) API: Bryen, yeah, but other advantage is being sure that we have the rooms
45 (11:08:32 AM) API: in the case of gtk people, they sent a mail asking for confirmation, in order to be sure
46 (11:08:41 AM) API: there are rooms available on that hotel
47 (11:09:12 AM) jpwhiting: Bryen: yes, you want to make sure you get the suite, eh?
48 (11:09:34 AM) Bryen: wouldn't have it any other way, jpwhiting
49 (11:09:40 AM) joanie: API, so the Gtk hackfest page says "Hotel: Will be booked and paid by the GNOME Foundation (quick check shows €409 for the week per twin room, including breakfast) "
50 (11:09:41 AM) API: ;)
51 (11:09:53 AM) joanie: It would be super if we could get that to occur here
52 (11:09:54 AM) ***API reading
53 (11:10:05 AM) joanie: *booked* and paid for
54 (11:10:10 AM) API: well, it also says
55 (11:10:12 AM) API: "Travel costs: Covered by individual participants (Travel committee will help if there is a genuine need) "
56 (11:10:26 AM) joanie: yeah, that's not what I'm getting at though....
57 (11:10:33 AM) API: joanie, yes, but that hotel is really near Igalia offices
58 (11:10:42 AM) joanie: :-)
59 (11:10:43 AM) API: and we already used that on the WebkitGTK hackfest
60 (11:10:48 AM) joanie: My point is this:
61 (11:11:03 AM) joanie: Juanje inquired about government discounts, etc.
62 (11:11:09 AM) API: I mean, that Igalia point that hotel, and foundation knows were to go
63 (11:11:23 AM) API: in that case we still need to know "the ideal hotel"
64 (11:11:24 AM) joanie: If GNOME could book the rooms (not pay for them) that would ease things quite a bit I would think
65 (11:11:29 AM) joanie: exactly API
66 (11:11:31 AM) API: joanie, I agree
67 (11:11:38 AM) aleiva: API: about ideal hotel
68 (11:11:40 AM) joanie: which is something I hope that Juanje and aleiva can determine (soon)
69 (11:11:47 AM) aleiva: API: I need some answers
70 (11:11:50 AM) API: but foundation book the rooms in a known hotel
71 (11:12:01 AM) API: what Im saying is that we need to inquire that list of hotels
72 (11:12:11 AM) API: aleiva, what answers?
73 (11:12:52 AM) aleiva: what you guys prefer, to stay near of the conference or a bit far (10 minutes by bus) but in the city?
74 (11:13:05 AM) joanie: aleiva: in the city
75 (11:13:13 AM) aleiva: that's the main problem with the aegis place
76 (11:13:15 AM) joanie: I think we determined that a few meetings ago
77 (11:13:23 AM) aleiva: joanie: ok
78 (11:13:36 AM) Bryen: I think the recommendation was to be in the city, but even then... which hotel provides the best convenience via bus? That's what I couldn't figure out just by looking at the proposed list
79 (11:14:03 AM) aleiva: Bryen: I can choose one, I know how to go
80 (11:14:24 AM) joanie: yay! Thanks aleiva.
81 (11:14:29 AM) Bryen: perfect
82 (11:14:41 AM) API: ok, now trying to summarize, and clean the mess I create
83 (11:14:48 AM) ***joanie chuckles
84 (11:15:08 AM) API: a) I agree that ideally foundation should book the rooms
85 (11:15:24 AM) API: b) but in order to do that, we should point the foundation which hotel choose
86 (11:15:34 AM) API: anyway, b) would be confirmed in the mail I sent to german
87 (11:16:01 AM) API: well, this is all what I have in my head related to aegis
88 (11:16:12 AM) API: somebody else wants to say anything?
89 (11:16:20 AM) joanie: c) aleiva will pick out a hotel by next meeting??
90 (11:17:26 AM) aleiva: joanie: ASAP
91 (11:17:34 AM) joanie: tyvm!
92 (11:19:13 AM) joanie: Bryen: any updates on the alternative funding sources?
93 (11:19:25 AM) joanie: last week you had indicated you were writing letters. how is that progressing?
94 (11:19:45 AM) Bryen: one source is on track and circulating within that organization. The others I haven't heard back yet
95 (11:20:04 AM) joanie: any ideas when we might know something?
96 (11:20:14 AM) Bryen: Of the four, I think one is a definite no-go because I know they're at their end of budget cycle, but I remain somewhat hopeful of the others
97 (11:20:34 AM) joanie: cool
98 (11:20:45 AM) Bryen: I really wouldn't be able to give a date, but i would assume we'll know for sure by say end of month.
99 (11:21:11 AM) Bryen: If the one that's seeming to take steam does come thru, that would be $5K
100 (11:21:28 AM) joanie: that would certainly help the cause :-)
101 (11:22:05 AM) Bryen: well if you're religious, start praying for it. :-)
102 (11:22:10 AM) API: ok, thanks Bryen
103 (11:22:28 AM) ***API reading other aegis things on the minutes
104 (11:22:31 AM) API: ah yeah
105 (11:22:32 AM) API: posters
106 (11:22:42 AM) korn1: Sorry I'm late gang...
107 (11:22:45 AM) Bryen: on the subject of posters, I'm still working on mine.
108 (11:22:50 AM) API: when I sent my paper, with the corrections they told me
109 (11:22:52 AM) ***joanie nods to korn1
110 (11:22:53 AM) API: about write a poster
111 (11:23:02 AM) API: Bryen, your poster is about ...
112 (11:23:18 AM) ***API I don't want to tell the same things on mine
113 (11:23:18 AM) Bryen: gnome-a11y
114 (11:23:38 AM) API: hmm, so I guess it overlaps in some places
115 (11:23:44 AM) API: could you sent me your paper?
116 (11:23:51 AM) API: or you are still writing it?
117 (11:23:53 AM) Bryen: well you told me you wanted me to do gnome-a11y
118 (11:23:58 AM) joanie: API did they send you specific instructions on posters
119 (11:24:11 AM) API: joanie, yeah
120 (11:24:19 AM) API: but basically is made a summary of my paper on the poster
121 (11:24:26 AM) joanie: Bryen: (to which you responded that you were going to bed. so it wasn't really clear what the plan was)
122 (11:24:36 AM) API: in order to people understand all the gnome-shell thing
123 (11:24:45 AM) API: I added a thick introduction to gnome a11y
124 (11:24:49 AM) joanie: API mind sending me what you have from them?
125 (11:24:57 AM) API: ko
126 (11:24:59 AM) API: ups
127 (11:25:00 AM) API: ok
128 (11:25:01 AM) joanie: I'll be cranking this out last minute for Orca
129 (11:25:07 AM) API: ok
130 (11:25:14 AM) joanie: but I can write academic crap if I know what's expected
131 (11:25:16 AM) Bryen: is there a deadline for the poster?
132 (11:25:21 AM) joanie: 31st August
133 (11:25:39 AM) API: ok, the other thing is this one:
134 (11:25:41 AM) API: Topic areas which need to be finalized/filled out:
135 (11:25:41 AM) API: * Testing
136 (11:25:41 AM) API: * Outreach
137 (11:25:56 AM) API: korn1, any new from the testing team?
138 (11:26:00 AM) korn1: API - I just spoke with Brian Nitz.
139 (11:26:10 AM) korn1: He *will* be attending, and presenting on testing.
140 (11:26:25 AM) korn1: I'm still not 100% sure how much time to allocate for it. I'd say at least 2 hours and not more than 4 hours.
141 (11:26:37 AM) korn1: I hope to refine that in the next day or three.
142 (11:26:44 AM) API: korn1, ok, so this line on the schedule
143 (11:26:46 AM) API: Morning
144 (11:26:46 AM) API:
145 (11:26:46 AM) API: Testing
146 (11:26:47 AM) API:
147 (11:26:47 AM) API: "Open Area Left," Escuela de Ingenieros
148 (11:26:47 AM) API:
149 (11:26:49 AM) API: Brian Nitz (pending confirmation)
150 (11:26:57 AM) API: can be rewritten to just "Brian Nitz"
151 (11:27:32 AM) API: once we new how much time is required, we can put a real schedule on that page
152 (11:27:59 AM) ***joanie just removed the 'pending confirmation' bit
153 (11:28:53 AM) API: ok, Bryen how about the outreach?
154 (11:29:03 AM) API: or this is a slee stuff?
155 (11:29:30 AM) Bryen: what do you mean?
156 (11:30:02 AM) Bryen: oh topics for the hackfest... ok
157 (11:30:27 AM) Bryen: well I just need to confab with slee and see how we both want to proceed. But at this point, I'm guessing he and I will be the primary participants of that portion of the hackfest
158 (11:30:53 AM) Bryen: as there aren't others who like doing marketing stuff, although I'd hope they'd stop by just to observe at least :-)
159 (11:31:06 AM) API: Bryen, yeah, but at this point
160 (11:31:07 AM) API: on
161 (11:31:08 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010
162 (11:31:19 AM) API: there are a TBD (To Be Done) hole in the schedule
163 (11:31:29 AM) Bryen: and I'll take care of it
164 (11:31:39 AM) API: ok, thanks Bryen
165 brad Bryen
166 (11:31:59 AM) joanie: Bryen: likewise booth duty scheduling
167 (11:32:38 AM) Bryen: yes
168 (11:32:52 AM) Bryen: but I think scheduling is a bit premature at this stage
169 (11:33:11 AM) Bryen: I'll be there the entire time, as in my priority is to be there when no one else can be there.
170 (11:33:38 AM) API: Bryen, although main actors about this topic are you and slee, probably other people wants to attend
171 (11:33:41 AM) Bryen: but for others to commit to actually being there depends a bit on whether they have reviewed the conference sked and decided there was some specific session they wanted to go to.
172 (11:33:45 AM) API: at least to know "what its happening"
173 (11:33:50 AM) korn1: Booth duty scheduling should be pretty easy, as it won't be full day staffing.
174 (11:33:59 AM) Bryen: korn1, right
175 (11:34:03 AM) API: so if it is scheduled, people can make their plans
176 (11:34:29 AM) joanie: also, it would be a shame if we all thought someone else was dealing with booth duty
177 (11:34:35 AM) Bryen: i'm just saying I'm not expecting anyone to volunteer their time until we get closer to the date. But regardless, it will be staffed no matter what, by at least me. :-)
178 (11:35:17 AM) joanie: awesomesauce
179 (11:36:15 AM) API: ok,
180 (11:36:27 AM) Bryen: I'm also going to be working on a brochure of GNOME-A11y that will be handed out at Ohio Linux Fest and consequently at AEGIS booth
181 (11:36:46 AM) API: Bryen, thanks
182 (11:36:47 AM) Bryen: But I don't want to schlep the brochures across the ocean. If someone has access to a decent printer, that'd be great
183 (11:37:05 AM) API: Bryen, normal or braille brochures?
184 (11:37:11 AM) joanie: Bryen: fer is also handling accessible documentation, so please coordinate with him
185 (11:37:12 AM) API: remember that some people are already working on that
186 (11:37:22 AM) ***API overlap!
187 (11:37:27 AM) ***joanie shuts up
188 (11:37:29 AM) joanie: :-)
189 (11:37:31 AM) fer: hehe
190 (11:37:33 AM) Bryen: someone's already making a brochure?
191 (11:37:53 AM) joanie: Bryen: no. But fer will need an electronic copy of your document in time to get it produced
192 (11:37:57 AM) korn1: Should y'all have a list of tasks up on the wiki, with names associated with who is doing them?
193 (11:38:07 AM) API: Bryen, you know, it would be a good idea reading previous minutes ;)
194 (11:38:14 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes
195 (11:38:39 AM) Bryen: there would be some other good ideas too, but I'll refrain now.
196 (11:40:45 AM) API: ok, something else about aegis
197 (11:40:46 AM) API: korn1, ?
198 (11:41:17 AM) korn1: Ummm.... Nothing from me to add. Any questions for me?
199 (11:41:44 AM) API: not from my side
200 (11:42:23 AM) API: ok, lets try to use the rest of the time for other things
201 (11:42:30 AM) API: if nobody has other proposal
202 (11:42:49 AM) API: Im thinking about the current gtk/pygtk/python mess
203 (11:43:03 AM) API: after read some mails it seems that all this situation is messy
204 (11:43:18 AM) API: and although there are 3x3 combinations
205 (11:43:24 AM) API: right now the plan is :
206 (11:43:33 AM) API: python 2.0 + gtk 2 + pygtk
207 (11:43:41 AM) API: python 3.0 + gtk 3.0 + pyobject
208 (11:43:54 AM) API: some of the python accessibility module maintainers
209 (11:44:06 AM) API: joanie, mgorse, danigm_out etc
210 (11:44:15 AM) API: any plan?
211 (11:44:24 AM) API: or your plan is wait until all gets defined?
212 (11:44:27 AM) ***joanie pokes aleiva as a co-maintainer
213 (11:44:49 AM) aleiva: in orca said we're waiting until all gets defined
214 (11:44:59 AM) aleiva: s/said/side :)
215 (11:44:59 AM) fer: API: does option #2 involces using pygi ?
216 (11:45:08 AM) fer: involves*
217 (11:45:14 AM) aleiva: fer: pygi dont exists anymore
218 (11:45:28 AM) aleiva: fer: is into pygobject
219 (11:45:31 AM) fer: has it been renamed or integrated into pyobject?
220 (11:45:34 AM) fer: nice
221 (11:45:40 AM) API: fer, yes, AFAIK
222 (11:46:00 AM) API: after this gnome 3.0 release new date
223 (11:46:15 AM) API: the situation is somewhat messy about what make to 2.32 and to 3.0
224 (11:46:23 AM) mgorse: Has Python 3 been released yet?
225 (11:46:55 AM) API: mgorse, well I can install it, in my ubuntu, as far as I see
226 (11:46:56 AM) aleiva: mgorse: 3.1 is stable
227 (11:47:06 AM) API: although the default is 2.0
228 (11:47:08 AM) ***fer votes for releasing 2.32 from 2.30 branch, sticking to old bonobo and friends and concentrating our efforts working for 3.0 only
229 (11:47:32 AM) API: fer, yes, it seems the policy for most of the people
230 (11:47:34 AM) joanie: +1
231 (11:47:45 AM) API: the mess started because some people already made the 3.0 changes
232 (11:47:51 AM) API: although I guess that this is not the case here
233 (11:48:05 AM) joanie: for bonobo related stuff, we made it optional in ORca
234 (11:48:12 AM) joanie: use it if we find it
235 (11:48:31 AM) joanie: so we'll release 2.32 from master
236 (11:48:41 AM) joanie: but we've not tackled the pygtk stuff
237 (11:50:13 AM) API: joanie, well people said that it should be a easy task to do the migration
238 (11:50:21 AM) API: but I really doubt that
239 (11:50:51 AM) API: anyway, we can fight this issue later
240 (11:51:07 AM) API: but we should have this in mind
241 (11:51:12 AM) joanie: agreed
242 (11:51:17 AM) ***API reading agenda
243 (11:51:35 AM) API: clown is not here, so I guess that there isn't anything to talk about magnification
244 (11:51:44 AM) API: mgorse, any at-spi2 update
245 (11:51:44 AM) API: ?
246 (11:52:05 AM) joanie: poor fer
247 (11:52:08 AM) joanie: :-)
248 (11:52:10 AM) mgorse: I need to ask Lee if he is planning on makin ga new at-spi-corba release
249 (11:52:25 AM) fer: hehe, don't worry, I already have evil plans to make some more changes to the magnification API :)
250 (11:52:30 AM) mgorse: since it currently efaults to being relocated in git, but I don't think we want that for 2.32
251 (11:52:35 AM) fer: (like delegating cursor tacking from orca to magnifiers)
252 (11:52:50 AM) joanie: (fer: sweet!)
253 (11:53:37 AM) mgorse: don't think so other than that. Need to leave for a bit.
254 (11:53:54 AM) fer: joanie: I was thinking on performance, as a dbus call for setROI per mouse event may be too much
255 (11:53:55 AM) API: mgorse, Lee?
256 (11:54:04 AM) joanie: Li
257 (11:54:21 AM) API: ah ok, I was thinking on Steve Lee, sorry :P
258 (11:54:35 AM) aleiva: fer: dbus for capturing input events is crazy IMHO
259 (11:55:05 AM) API: fer, there was a setROI per mouse event on CORBA?
260 (11:55:13 AM) fer: yeah
261 (11:55:33 AM) joanie: API, fer my recollection is that Carlos Diogenes wouldn't move it to gnome-mag
262 (11:55:35 AM) API: API, well, again the CORBAvsDBUS performance issues
263 (11:55:39 AM) joanie: so we didn't have a choice
264 (11:55:46 AM) joanie: sounds like fer is giving us one. (yay!)
265 (11:56:09 AM) API: fer, so you are thinking in a kind of filtering or something?
266 (11:56:30 AM) fer: API: no, just adding some API functions to magnifiers to tell them how we want cursor tracking
267 (11:56:52 AM) fer: current code for gnome-mag knows how to do mouse tracking in his own (using -m command line)
268 (11:56:56 AM) fer: but it is not exposed
269 (11:57:05 AM) API: fer, so if a user wants a setROI per event, they can configure it?
270 (11:58:13 AM) fer: currently orca does this on mouse event:
271 (11:58:15 AM) fer: if _mouseTracking == settings.MAG_TRACKING_MODE_PUSH:
272 (11:58:16 AM) fer: __setROIPush(x, y)
273 (11:58:16 AM) fer: elif _mouseTracking == settings.MAG_TRACKING_MODE_PROPORTIONAL:
274 (11:58:16 AM) fer: __setROIProportional(x, y)
275 (11:58:16 AM) fer: elif _mouseTracking == settings.MAG_TRACKING_MODE_CENTERED:
276 (11:58:17 AM) fer: __setROICenter(x, y)
277 (11:58:41 AM) fer: so the idea is to do a global magnifier.SetMouseTracking(MAG_TRACKING_MODE_PROPORTIONAL)
278 (11:58:48 AM) fer: and let the magnifier follow the cursor
279 (11:59:03 AM) fer: and not to do a setROI in orca at all
280 (11:59:10 AM) joanie: which would so rock
281 (11:59:16 AM) fer: just a tough, I have to talk with clown about that
282 (12:00:07 PM) fer: though*
283 (12:00:16 PM) joanie: thought?
284 (12:00:18 PM) joanie: :-)
285 (12:00:28 PM) fer: (gsmag does it own cursor tracking and ignores current orca setting IIRC)
286 (12:00:59 PM) fer: anyway, enhancements for the future :)
287 (12:01:09 PM) API: fer, thanks for the update
288 (12:01:10 PM) joanie: 'tis good news though. Thanks feer!
289 (12:01:16 PM) joanie: fer even
290 (12:01:17 PM) API: meeting over time!
291 (12:01:27 PM) heidi: One quick question?
292 (12:01:31 PM) API: somebody wants a last hour shot?
293 (12:01:32 PM) API: heidi, sure
294 (12:01:48 PM) fer: btw joanie, mgorse fixes the mouse event thing! and now we are actually tracking the mouse! yiiippa!
295 (12:01:51 PM) heidi: Could someone direct me to the proper venue for asking questions about which keyboards would be most needed for Caribou?
296 (12:01:54 PM) fer: fixed*
297 (12:02:01 PM) joanie: way to go mgorse!
298 (12:02:21 PM) heidi: My impression is that the developer list is for developers and I'd like some input from users.
299 (12:02:50 PM) API: heidi, hmm, some time ago current caribou developer made a similar question on the list
300 (12:03:08 PM) joanie: heidi: To be honest we have a cart-horse situation here
301 (12:03:14 PM) joanie: not a lot of users
302 (12:03:25 PM) heidi: gnome-accessibility-list?
303 (12:03:30 PM) ***API searching
304 (12:03:31 PM) heidi: Ah, got it.
305 (12:03:35 PM) joanie: To me, this would be an interesting area in which to commission a study
306 (12:03:45 PM) joanie: perhaps involve Centers for Independent Living, etc
307 (12:03:55 PM) API: heidi
308 (12:03:59 PM) joanie: current gnome community of users is not going to get you the answers you presumably want
309 (12:04:03 PM) API: you are asking for something like that:
310 (12:04:06 PM) API: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2010-June/msg00087.html
311 (12:04:07 PM) API: ?
312 (12:04:16 PM) API: s/you are/are you
313 (12:04:22 PM) heidi: Yes. Any ideas on best way to reach potential users? People who might want to use caribou but don't because of keyboard?
314 (12:04:57 PM) korn1: There are also folks outside of the U.S. to engage (e.g. on Caribou)
315 (12:05:06 PM) API: heidi, take into account that there are two gnome accessibility lists
316 (12:05:08 PM) korn1: ACE Center in the UK. And of course the folks in spain who are funding it.
317 (12:05:12 PM) API: gnome-accessibility-list
318 (12:05:14 PM) heidi: API: This message appears to be related to switch device. I was talking about having students develop new keyboards during fall semester.
319 (12:05:28 PM) dexem: heidi, I thought you asked for concrete keyboard layouts :P
320 (12:05:28 PM) korn1: For reasons I don't fully understand, few folks with physical disabilities are engaged in our mailing lists.
321 (12:05:34 PM) heidi: kornl: thanks
322 (12:05:54 PM) heidi: dexem: Umm, yes, am I not asking the question in the right way?
323 (12:06:18 PM) Bryen: korn1 is right. Its kind of hard to quantify atm who is using our works and what their experiences are. We're kind of in a case-by-case situation atm.
324 (12:06:19 PM) heidi: dexem: Please jump in as I think you know that I'm asking.
325 (12:06:22 PM) dexem: well, :-) the mail API refers to is about a way of using the keyboard
326 (12:06:23 PM) API: and gnome-accessibility-develgnome-accessibility-devel
327 (12:06:31 PM) API: ups
328 (12:06:33 PM) API: gnome-accessibility-devel
329 (12:06:46 PM) heidi: API: Ah, thanks!
330 (12:06:52 PM) ***API although is true that people usually mixed both
331 (12:06:59 PM) dexem: anyway, it seems that the problem is similar... we need feedback from the users or the researchers
332 (12:07:07 PM) dexem: to know what's really needed
333 (12:07:27 PM) API: dexem, you have any user feedback in your project?
334 (12:07:30 PM) heidi: Yes. If anyone has ideas on how to go about doing this, I'd be happy to have students investigate when classes start.
335 (12:07:40 PM) API: I mean, as it was created by the local government...
336 (12:07:56 PM) Bryen: I wonder if its particularly because some people don't like mailing lists and prefer some sort of forum interface
337 (12:08:17 PM) dexem: API, I think it's not "deployed" anywhere yet
338 (12:09:25 PM) API: dexem, ok, thanks
339 (12:09:51 PM) API: Bryen, probably, but it is hard to generalize
340 (12:09:51 PM) Bryen: well I need to get going, it's past the hour now. Catch you all later
341 (12:09:57 PM) API: I dont like forum interfaces, for example
342 (12:10:05 PM) heidi: Thank you all for the input. I need to go as well.
343 (12:10:27 PM) Bryen: API, I agree, I dislike forums too, but as I have seen in other communities there are people who will adamantly refuse to use one medium over another
344 (12:10:44 PM) API: heidi thanks to attend the meeting
345 (12:10:52 PM) Bryen: And I'm all for implementing multiple communication venues, but not unless we know everything can be properly staffed, and atm I don't think it can be.
346 (12:10:53 PM) heidi: Ah, thank you! I'm learning a lot. bye
347 (12:11:05 PM) heidi left the room (quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]).
348 (12:11:09 PM) Pendulum: the Ubuntu Accessibility project just did a huge survey of users (both Linux and other OS) to see what software people are using and like (we're creating accessibility personas to give to Ubuntu design/developers), I can see if any of our responses would be useful
349 (12:11:09 PM) API: well, I think that we can official call this meeting off
350 (12:11:31 PM) Bryen: ok see you all next week. Different bat-time, same bat-channel!
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