(03:01:47 AM) Bryen: API,    Let the games begin .... before me and mgorse and joanie fall asleep
(03:02:32 AM) API: Bryen, yeah, meeting time
(03:02:51 AM) Bryen: too late... zzzzzz  
(03:02:57 AM) Bryen: :-)
(03:03:01 AM) API: well, we can start with our favourite topic...
(03:03:09 AM) API: AEGIS conference
(03:03:23 AM) Bryen: Is that this year?
(03:03:48 AM) API: there aren't too many updates on the page
(03:03:49 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010
(03:03:55 AM) API: related to assistance
(03:04:07 AM) API: so I guess that right now we can
(03:04:30 AM) API: say that all interested people requiring sponsorship have already applied
(03:04:47 AM) API: sooo
(03:04:59 AM) API: next step will ask again German Poo 
(03:05:09 AM) API: the list of the people and costs per person
(03:05:19 AM) API: in order to have a final budget
(03:05:33 AM) API: and check if there are something missing
(03:05:50 AM) Bryen: Can you clarify exactly what German's role here is?  He's the travel committee lead?
(03:06:06 AM) API: Bryen, yes he is in the travel committe
(03:06:12 AM) API: I could ask other
(03:06:24 AM) Bryen: ok  just wanted to be clear
(03:06:31 AM) API: but as he already sent me the previous provisional list
(03:06:47 AM) API: he seems to know what we are talking about ;)
(03:07:00 AM) API: well, something else about funding?
(03:07:05 AM) Bryen: And everyone seems supportive so far?
(03:07:49 AM) Bryen: well one letter of sponsorship request is out so far, and I've got another one going out tomorrow morning  (well its tomorrow today now)  and couple more to go out in the next few days
(03:08:22 AM) Bryen: The one I've sent out looks promising.  But would rather not mention names until things are more solid.  
(03:08:58 AM) API: Bryen, when I was on the meeting with foundation, as I already said, they agreed with hackfest, but required a final budget
(03:10:17 AM) Bryen: Which I look very much forward to helping you reduce.  :-)
(03:10:27 AM) API: ok
(03:10:39 AM) API: next AEGIS subtopic
(03:10:51 AM) API: yesterday I have a brief talking with Peter Korn
(03:11:08 AM) API: among other things
(03:11:17 AM) API: he pointed me
(03:11:21 AM) API: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/posters.html
(03:11:46 AM) API: summary: it would be good to have posters on the conference related to a11y apps
(03:11:54 AM) API: he mentioned orca, caribou, et
(03:11:55 AM) API: c
(03:12:28 AM) Bryen: I was inquiring the other day about access to plotter printers for posters by folks in Sevilla, but no luck in that yet
(03:12:40 AM) API: plotter printers?
(03:12:53 AM) API: which person did you inquire?
(03:12:54 AM) Bryen: large sized printers for printing posters
(03:13:02 AM) API: yes I know
(03:13:06 AM) API: I mean 
(03:13:08 AM) API: that AFAIK
(03:13:17 AM) danigm: I think I *can* ask at university
(03:13:20 AM) API: poster printing is already solved by peter korn
(03:13:30 AM) API: although it would be good to confirm
(03:13:33 AM) danigm: for printing
(03:13:36 AM) Bryen: ok
(03:13:42 AM) API: if I pointed out the poster thing
(03:13:45 AM) danigm: but now everyone is on vacation
(03:13:50 AM) Bryen: so again, we're mis-syncing here
(03:13:53 AM) API: is because if you check the poster format
(03:15:13 AM) API: Bryen : http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20100715
(03:15:34 AM) API: Peter responded that a booth and poster will not be a problem
(03:15:53 AM) API: although probably that was just for a "place" to put the poster
(03:16:44 AM) danigm is now known as danigm_out
(03:16:57 AM) Bryen: alright, I'll be quiet about it
(03:17:46 AM) API: Bryen, anyway, we need to confirm that to Peter k
(03:17:55 AM) API: but the point
(03:18:00 AM) API: if you read the format
(03:18:15 AM) API: it is this really serious-conference-boring format
(03:18:25 AM) ***joanie snickers
(03:18:31 AM) API: so creating a poster is not just
(03:18:42 AM) API: put the project logo 
(03:18:54 AM) API: and some sentences like "Im cooler than you"
(03:19:17 AM) API: it is a real work to do
(03:19:46 AM) Bryen: yes
(03:20:07 AM) API: joanie, any volunteer to create a Orca poster?
(03:20:25 AM) joanie: Yeah, I assume me
(03:20:32 AM) joanie: I already wrote it down
(03:21:05 AM) API: where?
(03:21:14 AM) joanie: ?
(03:21:19 AM) Bryen: Orca poster or GNOME-A11y poster that covers Orca and other stuff?
(03:21:28 AM) joanie: Bryen: I will do Orca
(03:22:03 AM) API: Bryen, peter korn was thinking more on specific projects
(03:22:15 AM) API: yes there will be gnome-a11y posters
(03:22:22 AM) API: but he also proposed specific ones
(03:22:28 AM) API: as I said before:
(03:22:38 AM) API: <API> he mentioned orca, caribou, et
(03:23:41 AM) API: eeejay, dpellicer any possibility about a caribou poster?
(03:25:02 AM) Bryen: So what is it that you guys want me to do here?
(03:26:47 AM) API: Bryen, I guess that you could write down a GNOME-A11Y poster
(03:27:04 AM) Bryen: that's not my point API 
(03:27:05 AM) API: afaik, there isn't any specific one in the gnome conference box
(03:27:41 AM) API: ok, so in that case we don't need you in anything related to posters ;)
(03:27:44 AM) API: anyway
(03:27:47 AM) API: people
(03:27:57 AM) API: what other posters do you think that would be a good idea
(03:27:58 AM) API: ?
(03:28:01 AM) API: at-spi?
(03:28:09 AM) Bryen: Fine,  then I'm going to bed.
(03:28:27 AM) ***joanie looks
(03:28:39 AM) joanie: API I just noticed it said that they will print the posters for us
(03:29:16 AM) joanie: Nor do I see a deadline
(03:29:16 AM) API: Please submit your posters to aegis@ace-centre.org.uk for approval. We will print your posters for you and bring them to the conference.
(03:29:18 AM) API: yes true
(03:29:19 AM) API: thanks
(03:29:26 AM) API: good catch
(03:29:59 AM) joanie: would you like me to check with peter on mundane details (e.g. deadlines)? Or would you since you're already talking to him?
(03:30:04 AM) API: Bryen, I thought that youre question was *just* about the posters
(03:30:29 AM) API: joanie, no we didn't talk about deadlines
(03:30:59 AM) ***joanie has pen in hand to jot down action items
(03:31:09 AM) joanie: who's gonna find out about the deadline? :-)
(03:31:09 AM) API: anyway, this poster thing was just to inform people
(03:31:19 AM) API: joanie, peter korn
(03:31:27 AM) API: we need to send him a mail or something
(03:31:31 AM) joanie: right....
(03:31:39 AM) joanie: So, I'll email Peter Korn 
(03:31:40 AM) API: <API> anyway, this poster thing was just to inform people
(03:31:52 AM) joanie: (03:29:59 AM) joanie: would you like me to check with peter on mundane details (e.g. deadlines)? Or would you since you're already talking to him?
(03:32:06 AM) API: please, anyone who wants to create a poster about any accessibility thing, feel free to create it
(03:32:38 AM) API: so lets move to other thing
(03:32:59 AM) dpellicer: API, any restrictions?
(03:33:04 AM) dpellicer: about size or something?
(03:33:12 AM) API: dpellicer, check poster format
(03:33:17 AM) API: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/posters.html
(03:33:27 AM) dpellicer: API, ok thx!
(03:33:50 AM) dpellicer: I didn't see it
(03:34:21 AM) API: people, something else about the AEGIS conference?
(03:36:39 AM) API: ok, lets move
(03:36:51 AM) API: joanie, you added to the agenda this item::
(03:36:54 AM) API: "Do we have the testing-related info from Brian Nitz? "
(03:37:00 AM) API: what that mean?
(03:37:25 AM) joanie: It means that Peter was supposed to get us that information for the schedule, goals, detailed session info, etc.
(03:37:28 AM) joanie: I'll poke him
(03:38:46 AM) API: btw
(03:38:52 AM) API: the other day I realized that
(03:38:56 AM) API: about the schedule
(03:39:15 AM) API: 8:00 am in the morning is somewhat early for a conference
(03:39:30 AM) joanie: we can change it
(03:39:42 AM) joanie: I usually don't do 8 AM
(03:40:47 AM) API: ie: GUADEC started 9:30
(03:40:56 AM) joanie: okie dokie
(03:41:06 AM) API: anyway, this is just a detail
(03:41:17 AM) ***API although affects all the schedule
(03:41:43 AM) API: I will do the question again:
(03:41:48 AM) API: <API> people, something else about the AEGIS conference?
(03:44:06 AM) API: ok, no answer nothing else to add
(03:44:14 AM) API: lets move
(03:44:16 AM) joanie: times changed
(03:44:30 AM) API: ?
(03:44:38 AM) joanie: to 9:30
(03:45:07 AM) API: ah ok
(03:45:14 AM) API: thank
(03:45:15 AM) API: s
(03:45:28 AM) API: ok, we have a quarter
(03:45:30 AM) joanie: twas easy. We don't need a 3.0 status update session ;-)
(03:45:43 AM) API: ;)
(03:45:45 AM) API: about that
(03:46:09 AM) API: someone want to bring to the table something before I start with some
(03:46:13 AM) API: gnome 3.0 updates?
(03:46:33 AM) joanie: I'd rather hear your updates regardless of what people bring to the table
(03:47:19 AM) API: well, this week I sent a mail to desktop devel 
(03:47:33 AM) API: as 2.32 will still be a "gnome 2.0"
(03:47:52 AM) API: our precious libbonobo will be still here
(03:48:06 AM) joanie: \o/
(03:48:14 AM) danigm_out is now known as danigm
(03:48:36 AM) joanie: thanks for asking those questions btw
(03:48:40 AM) API: and about all the accessibility gconf keys that are right now on libgnome
(03:49:08 AM) API: there are some plans to create a uber module
(03:49:17 AM) API: with a name like gnome-desktop-schemas
(03:49:29 AM) joanie: modzilla?
(03:49:36 AM) joanie: (sorry. no sleep)
(03:49:37 AM) API: modzilla?
(03:49:41 AM) joanie: uber module
(03:49:43 AM) API: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600686
(03:49:45 AM) joanie: never mind
(03:49:50 AM) API: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600686#c3
(03:51:15 AM) joanie: ugh
(03:52:24 AM) API: so most of the accessibility gconf schemas will be moved, eventually there
(03:52:53 AM) API: btw, after my meeting on guadec I also updated gnome-shell section on http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3
(03:53:00 AM) API: and thats for my side
(03:53:23 AM) API: joanie, any update from the gs-mag, gnome-mag and orca interaction?
(03:53:30 AM) API: you were talking about it last week
(03:53:39 AM) joanie: I've not heard a peep out of them since
(03:53:47 AM) joanie: I should follow up with them
(03:54:03 AM) joanie: Right now we're focused on upcoming freezes and the Andalucía work
(03:54:12 AM) joanie: (since 3.0 is march)
(03:54:26 AM) joanie: but I've jotted down a note to follow up with clown and fer
(03:55:01 AM) API: well, part of that works involves remove the bonobo thingies
(03:55:12 AM) API: that is also required for 3.0
(03:55:31 AM) API: or you mean that with this new air fresh, you are refocusing in other things?
(03:55:35 AM) joanie: i know.... I'm sorry.... What I meant is that it went on the backburner
(03:55:37 AM) joanie: yeah
(03:55:41 AM) joanie: just for a few weeks
(03:57:18 AM) API: ok
(03:57:44 AM) API: mgorse, just to know, something new from at-spi2 side?
(03:58:24 AM) API: or also a question to joanie 
(03:58:25 AM) mgorse: API: I've mostly been fixing a few hangs lately
(03:58:43 AM) API: mgorse, 
(03:58:44 AM) API: ok
(03:58:47 AM) mgorse: also trying to switch to using direct dbus conections--well, tbsaunde has been working on that some
(03:58:59 AM) API: mario, joanie so anything new about the orca regression tests?
(03:59:19 AM) joanie: Oh yeah API I'm not sure if we caught up on that... (?)
(03:59:24 AM) joanie: we == you and I
(03:59:33 AM) Fudge: im looking forward to the speed increase
(03:59:35 AM) API: ups
(03:59:43 AM) joanie: if I put in clever, random, magical delays
(03:59:48 AM) joanie: i.e. in the tests
(03:59:52 AM) API: ok
(03:59:54 AM) joanie: the "failures" go away
(04:00:01 AM) joanie: which is not the solution, of course
(04:00:07 AM) API: mgorse, a summary of that switch?
(04:00:11 AM) joanie: but it means that we're ultimately getting the right stuff
(04:00:53 AM) mgorse: API: It would mostly bypass dbus-daemon, so, ie, pyatspi could connect directly to an application. Should improve speed some
(04:01:37 AM) mgorse: since, with th edaemon, for a round-trip call, ethod alls need to be sent from the AT, to dbus-daemon, to the app, and the reply gets sent to the daemon and then it routes the message back to the AT
(04:02:58 AM) API: mgorse, ok, thanks for the explanation
(04:03:03 AM) API: well, out of time
(04:03:14 AM) API: anyone wants to add something to the meeting?
(04:05:12 AM) API: ok, meeting over
(04:05:16 AM) API: thanks for your presence