1 (11:01:11 AM) API: its time
   2 (11:01:19 AM) API: although Li Yuan email
   3 (11:01:21 AM) API: he is here
   4 (11:01:28 AM) API: so you can ask anything
   5 (11:01:46 AM) ***clown waves
   6 (11:02:06 AM) API: well, fer here complained that this is starting to become boring
   7 (11:02:10 AM) API: but main topic is
   8 (11:02:12 AM) API: AEGIS
   9 (11:02:16 AM) API: specifically funding
  10 (11:03:46 AM) API: updating :
  11 (11:04:00 AM) API: I was with the foundation this Sunday, explaining what the hackfest is
  12 (11:04:13 AM) API: and showing a rough cost estimations
  13 (11:04:22 AM) API: based on the data of the travel comitte
  14 (11:04:30 AM) API: Bryen, is also trying to contact other options
  15 (11:04:41 AM) API: btw
  16 (11:04:52 AM) API: German Poo told me that about the hotel
  17 (11:05:00 AM) API: normally local goverment has agreements with hotels
  18 (11:05:04 AM) API: aleiva, you here?
  19 (11:05:26 AM) API: there is any possibility to contact Junta de Andalucia in order to check if this is possible?
  20 (11:05:43 AM) korn: I just heard that the Director of Junta de Andalusia changed, last week.
  21 (11:05:47 AM) korn: Don't have more details on that yet.
  22 (11:06:44 AM) API: danigm here from Andalucia doesn't know either :P
  23 (11:06:50 AM) joanie: API I think aleiva is afk, but I'll ping him if you would like
  24 (11:07:06 AM) API: ok
  25 (11:07:28 AM) API: anything Im sure that this will involve a lot of boring bureocratic stuff
  26 (11:07:52 AM) slee: api - if it's EU that's a cert
  27 (11:08:07 AM) API: Bryen, you here?
  28 (11:08:15 AM) API: do you want to add something more?
  29 (11:08:20 AM) Bryen: API, No. Are you here? :-)
  30 (11:08:37 AM) API: right, I'm there
  31 (11:08:46 AM) API: anyway
  32 (11:08:54 AM) API: Bryen, something to add related to funding
  33 (11:09:00 AM) Bryen: Just that I have several leads on getting sponsorships for the hackfest and that I'm hoping to send out formal requests soon once we get an idea of what the numbers are going to be
  34 (11:09:34 AM) API: jose felix from emergy also suggested me to try with Consorcio Fernando de los Rios
  35 (11:09:35 AM) Bryen: particularly, I'm interested mostly in what our travel/hotel costs will be, and any additional funding will be secondary
  36 (11:09:39 AM) API: so I will try it at least
  37 (11:09:49 AM) API: Bryen, in your form application
  38 (11:09:56 AM) API: you sent just
  39 (11:09:57 AM) API: your data
  40 (11:10:05 AM) API: or you also included the interpreters?
  41 (11:10:13 AM) Bryen: just me
  42 (11:10:34 AM) API: hmm, so the interpreters would require to apply for their own?
  43 (11:10:46 AM) Bryen: the innterpreters was a separate formal request to the board. Because it may or may not be funded through separate funding. I don't know
  44 (11:10:47 AM) API: not sure how to manage this
  45 (11:11:11 AM) Bryen: no, we need the Board to say yes we support this, and then I guess I will go ahead and cover the costs and get reimbursed somehow.
  46 (11:11:14 AM) API: ok, anyway, as we need to send the foundation a final
  47 (11:11:17 AM) API: or almost final
  48 (11:11:21 AM) API: budget estimation
  49 (11:11:32 AM) API: we need the estimation for the interpreters as well
  50 (11:11:42 AM) API: Bryen, as I said
  51 (11:11:51 AM) Bryen: Well, its in that second letter which you were CC'ed on.
  52 (11:11:58 AM) API: we explain the situation about the interpreter the monday
  53 (11:12:06 AM) API: and they mostly agree about that
  54 (11:12:40 AM) Bryen: I don't have specific students lined up yet. That will take a little time, but the data would generally be the same as mine as they'd be coming from Chicago
  55 (11:12:59 AM) Bryen: I guesstimated $1500-$1750 for the two in my letter.
  56 (11:13:20 AM) API: so to compute the budget we can do Bryen x 3,
  57 (11:13:30 AM) API: right?
  58 (11:14:08 AM) Bryen: API, Not exactly because 1) I'm only billing for half my airfare as I'm staying in Europe for another conference and 2) It seems more expensive to fly to seville and back to Chicago than it is for flying somewhere else in Europe then to Seville
  59 (11:14:30 AM) Bryen: so the estimate you want is $1500-1750 for the interpreters plus $700ish for me
  60 (11:14:39 AM) slee: Bryen: - only stereo this time?
  61 (11:14:58 AM) API: Bryen, ok, we will use that estimation for the flights
  62 (11:14:59 AM) Bryen: slee, If you want to fund an entourage for me, go for it. ;-)
  63 (11:15:08 AM) API: and we could continue working for the estimation of the hotel
  64 (11:15:13 AM) API: as it would be mostly the same for all
  65 (11:15:25 AM) Bryen: API, That estimation included hotels. But obviously if we get a deal on hotels, that cuts the estimation down significantly
  66 (11:15:27 AM) fer: flying directly to seville is usually a bad idea. Try flying to Madrid and then getting the high speed train to Seville
  67 (11:15:45 AM) joanie: fer: now you tell me
  68 (11:15:46 AM) API: Bryen, ok
  69 (11:15:48 AM) Bryen: fer, How long is that train?
  70 (11:15:50 AM) API: fer ik
  71 (11:16:05 AM) fer: 2h and 10minutes
  72 (11:16:16 AM) mgorse: fer: Thanks for the advice. I'll look into doing that
  73 (11:16:23 AM) Bryen: ahh phooey. If it was 2h and 9 minutes I would have endorsed that. :-)
  74 (11:16:32 AM) API: Bryen, ok, we will use your estimation, please take into account all this data, and try to update the budget
  75 (11:16:43 AM) ***clown Bryen's always looking for a lost minute
  76 (11:16:49 AM) API: we can refine the estimation during these weeks
  77 (11:17:25 AM) joanie: So what are the "next steps"?
  78 (11:17:32 AM) Bryen: API, I'm certain that whatever amount we present to the Foundation will eventually be reduced once we get sponsors in the door. They should be aware of that and hopefully put a smile on their faces
  79 (11:17:40 AM) joanie: API, you'll keep working with Germán?
  80 (11:18:01 AM) API: Bryen, yes for sure
  81 (11:18:08 AM) API: fer is also making fun of me
  82 (11:18:18 AM) API: in fact the main problem is the list of attendes
  83 (11:18:28 AM) slee: fer thanks for tip - good flights from UK are very few. I did think of hiring car or looking for a apackage
  84 (11:18:30 AM) API: ie: slee
  85 (11:18:36 AM) ***joanie whacks fer on the head. Stop making fun of API ;-)
  86 (11:18:47 AM) API: joanie, yes, I still ask for hints
  87 (11:18:50 AM) fer: danigm can make fun of him if I stop :)
  88 (11:18:50 AM) slee: eh?
  89 (11:18:57 AM) ***Bryen puts helmet on fer and says keep it up!
  90 (11:18:59 AM) joanie: API as for the list of attendees....
  91 (11:19:05 AM) API: slee, I mean that you forgot to put the "need for sponsorhips flag" :P
  92 (11:19:20 AM) joanie: I think the reality is that we have more people who want to come than we can afford (at least on the Foundation's dime)
  93 (11:19:21 AM) API: joanie, yes?
  94 (11:19:30 AM) Bryen: API, I thought slee marked no need for sponsorship
  95 (11:19:48 AM) joanie: So I think we need to identify the "must-haves"
  96 (11:19:57 AM) Bryen: Also FlaPer87 just told me yesterday he may not be able to go, but he thought it was in Sept. I told him he better try again. :-)
  97 (11:20:03 AM) API: slee, the last new is that in the end you required sponsorhip, please confirm
  98 (11:20:04 AM) slee: Bryen: no I miss understood the 2 tables. plus I'm now in a different situation
  99 (11:20:24 AM) API: Bryen, yes we already contacted Flavio that weekend, before the meeting with the foundation
 100 (11:20:26 AM) slee: API correct and I sent form off
 101 (11:20:30 AM) API: slee, thanks
 102 (11:20:42 AM) slee: Train may reduce costs
 103 (11:21:06 AM) API: joanie, yes, we can do that as well
 104 (11:21:09 AM) korn: Gang.... (API, I guess)... what is the precise meaning of the two tables: "Attendees" and "Hope to attend"?
 105 (11:21:15 AM) ***Bryen nominates fer as Spain Travel Coordinator
 106 (11:21:30 AM) API: attendes were the people that *for sure* will be there
 107 (11:21:35 AM) korn: I see folks in the "Hope to attend" table that are local & don't need sponsorship.
 108 (11:21:44 AM) API: hope to attend is the people that wants to be there
 109 (11:21:44 AM) korn: Are they not "Attendees"?
 110 (11:21:50 AM) API: but don't know due the
 111 (11:21:51 AM) ***fer can also suggest places for good food if you stay one day in Madrid, Granada or Lisbon
 112 (11:21:56 AM) API: different reasons
 113 (11:22:11 AM) API: in fact the problem here is that "Attendees" lacks a column "need sponsorhip"
 114 (11:22:13 AM) API: btw
 115 (11:22:15 AM) API: PEOPLE
 116 (11:22:17 AM) Bryen: korn, probably the locals either misunderstood that wishlist or even if they're local they still don't know if they're going
 117 (11:22:28 AM) API: if you confirm that you can go there (schedule and other things)
 118 (11:22:35 AM) API: please, move to "Attendees"
 119 (11:22:38 AM) korn: API: if the person can only attend *if* they get sponsorship, then should they not be "Hope" folks?
 120 (11:22:39 AM) ***slee thought tables were mutually exclusive
 121 (11:22:46 AM) Bryen: API, umm hang on a sec there...
 122 (11:22:57 AM) API: korn, yes I suppose
 123 (11:23:01 AM) Bryen: Confirming whether we can go can be largely influenced by whether sponsorship is approved to travel.
 124 (11:23:10 AM) API: but there are some people on "hope" that don't need sponsorhip
 125 (11:23:34 AM) korn: API: yes - that's fine. Bu tif they are very local, then they should soon figure out whether or not they will attend.
 126 (11:23:42 AM) joanie: API you need to move yourself to the top table ;-)
 127 (11:23:55 AM) joanie: fer you too
 128 (11:24:03 AM) fer: really?
 129 (11:24:05 AM) Bryen: we approved API? How did this happen?!? :-)
 130 (11:24:22 AM) joanie: fer, you're definitely coming right?
 131 (11:24:28 AM) fer: yup
 132 (11:24:34 AM) fer: let me move myself on the table
 133 (11:24:36 AM) fer: :)
 134 (11:24:46 AM) API: well, as we solved this "table problem"
 135 (11:24:49 AM) joanie: lol
 136 (11:24:57 AM) API: there is anything else to talk about funding?
 137 (11:25:11 AM) Bryen: all funding requests are now sent in right? Is the door closed now?
 138 (11:25:29 AM) API: door closed for what?
 139 (11:25:32 AM) korn: Ummm.... how is funding done?
 140 (11:25:41 AM) Bryen: asking for travel sponsorship
 141 (11:25:42 AM) korn: We don't know how much we're asking for yet, do we?
 142 (11:25:59 AM) API: korn http://live.gnome.org/Travel
 143 (11:26:08 AM) API: korn, please read the log :P
 144 (11:26:12 AM) API: summary
 145 (11:26:23 AM) API: with the data people is reporting on that form
 146 (11:26:27 AM) API: we are making a estimation
 147 (11:26:40 AM) API: Germán poo from the travel comitte send me a estimation with the people
 148 (11:26:46 AM) API: anyway, we need to refine that value
 149 (11:27:00 AM) API: because not all the people registered
 150 (11:27:09 AM) Bryen: API, To higher or lower than that rough guesstimate I gave you in email?
 151 (11:28:55 AM) Bryen: whoa... from complete noise to absolute silence. Are we netsplitting? :-)
 152 (11:29:26 AM) joanie: or watching the guadec stream
 153 (11:29:27 AM) joanie: :-)
 154 (11:29:35 AM) korn: Or getting coffee....
 155 (11:29:36 AM) API: Bryen, I was looking for that email
 156 (11:29:37 AM) Bryen: ok tell me what the score is
 157 (11:29:43 AM) API: Bryen, youre were higher
 158 (11:29:48 AM) API: as you included 15 people
 159 (11:29:52 AM) API: not all applied on the form
 160 (11:30:06 AM) Bryen: API, Well that's actually good news! :-)
 161 (11:30:09 AM) API: Bryen, I have already sent you two gnumerics, :P
 162 (11:30:29 AM) API: ok, people, half of the meeting wasted
 163 (11:30:31 AM) Bryen: yeah and I haven't opened them yet as I've been in meetings all morning. so :-P back atcha! :-)
 164 (11:30:32 AM) API: I mean
 165 (11:30:33 AM) API: used
 166 (11:30:45 AM) korn: Yup API. And I should go soon...
 167 (11:30:48 AM) fer: actually I need to go out for a cigarrete
 168 (11:30:50 AM) korn: Anything I should be here for?
 169 (11:30:56 AM) API: so, I think that we should move to the next point
 170 (11:30:57 AM) API: korn
 171 (11:30:59 AM) API: next point is
 172 (11:31:05 AM) Bryen: Who is the most local person we have in Seville here?
 173 (11:31:07 AM) clown: korn, I have a question.
 174 (11:31:09 AM) API: "other things about AEGIS not being funds"
 175 (11:31:13 AM) fer: danigm lives there
 176 (11:31:14 AM) joanie: korn: we need Brian Nitz' stuff
 177 (11:31:19 AM) fer: but now is here, that is, Holland
 178 (11:31:19 AM) danigm: i'm there
 179 (11:31:29 AM) Bryen: ok so I'll boher danigm when i ahve questions
 180 danigm davidb
 181 (11:32:00 AM) korn: joanie: ah yes. Sorry. I just got back from DC last night (lots of fun at the 20th anniversary of the ADA). I'll work on that.
 182 (11:32:09 AM) joanie: korn: thanks!
 183 (11:32:22 AM) clown: korn, jan is encouraging me to register for aegis... you said we should register as students, but there was an issue with student IDs. Any news on that?
 184 (11:32:25 AM) korn: Meanwhile, i have confirmed that we have 1 room for the hackfest on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Saturday; and 2 rooms on Monday, Thursday, and Friday.
 185 (11:32:35 AM) Bryen: korn, Did you see my buddy Marlee?
 186 (11:32:38 AM) joanie: super
 187 (11:32:51 AM) korn: clown: register as a student. Get the student rate.
 188 (11:33:02 AM) korn: All GNOME A11y Hackfest folks get the student rate.
 189 (11:33:08 AM) clown: korn, what do I use for student ID: "GNOME"?
 190 (11:33:13 AM) korn: If the form won't let you submit without a student ID, use "GNOME" as the id.
 191 (11:33:25 AM) clown: okay. thanks
 192 (11:33:38 AM) Bryen: let's hope that's not a one-time use field :-)
 193 (11:33:47 AM) korn: We'll find out soon...
 194 (11:33:52 AM) prlw1: what do aegis gnome folk register as?
 195 (11:34:15 AM) API: prlw1, as student, as korn has just said :P
 196 (11:34:19 AM) korn: There should be a payment desk at the event, so folks can pay when they arrive (vs. in advance). So if we run into form problems, they can be handled on-site.
 197 (11:34:30 AM) API: korn, ok, good to know
 198 (11:34:50 AM) API: I was thinking about the people waiting for the sponsorship answer from foundation
 199 (11:34:53 AM) korn: prlw1: in general AEGIS folks should be fully paying members. (using EC's money)
 200 (11:35:07 AM) slee: korn I register for Aegis as normal using GNOME. Did not get anything about payment yet is that correct?
 201 (11:35:23 AM) ***slee see then aswer
 202 (11:35:27 AM) korn: We're still having, er... "fun" (yah, that's it) with payment processing.
 203 (11:35:57 AM) korn: slee: yes, register as student/GNOME
 204 (11:36:23 AM) slee: so I might have got it wrong as it let me give ID w/o selecting student
 205 (11:36:39 AM) slee: korn: sorry to be a pain
 206 (11:36:44 AM) korn: s'ok slee.
 207 (11:36:52 AM) Bryen: ok so other non-funding related topics: I'm going to send out an email next week asking who can participate at the Booth
 208 (11:37:10 AM) Bryen: korn, is a booth automatic for us now or do I need to do something to get the booth space?
 209 (11:37:20 AM) korn: And Bryen/all: the booth doesn't need to be staffed 100% of the time of both conference days.
 210 (11:37:33 AM) API: Bryen, korn already confirmed that we have the space
 211 (11:37:33 AM) korn: We'll have specific time slots when it'll be open; otherwise closed.
 212 (11:37:40 AM) joanie: I believe I've got all the times on the schedule on the wiki
 213 (11:37:44 AM) API: you can read the previous meeting minutes
 214 (11:37:45 AM) Bryen: right okay
 215 (11:37:48 AM) korn: joanie, right, thanks.
 216 (11:37:54 AM) fer: network access is more important than space
 217 (11:38:07 AM) korn: We should have WiFi everywhere in our rooms.
 218 (11:38:18 AM) Bryen: fer, We're running an ethernet cable to danigm's house
 219 (11:38:19 AM) joanie: korn, if (later, when you have a chance) you could confirm I have all the times correct that would be awesome
 220 (11:38:21 AM) korn: I suspect we'll need to circulate the passwrod (that it won't be open)
 221 (11:39:07 AM) korn: joanie: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/programme.html will be "controlling" for this. If that changes (e.g. lunch shifts), then booth times shift.
 222 (11:39:21 AM) joanie: gotcha. thanks korn
 223 (11:39:30 AM) Bryen: korn, Whats the expected conference attendance?
 224 (11:40:14 AM) korn: Bryen: hard to say. We're prepared for several hundreds. But until we get closer we won't have registration data.
 225 (11:40:23 AM) Bryen: ok
 226 (11:41:16 AM) Bryen: so I'll handle all the booth stuff. Already inquiring where the European GNOME event kit is at and will handle all other planning for it.
 227 (11:41:28 AM) korn: Great Bryen, thanks.
 228 (11:41:46 AM) API: Bryen, Emergya people already asked for the european event kit
 229 (11:41:53 AM) Bryen: I think we've gone as far as we can for this point in time discussing AEGIS and should give time to other topics
 230 (11:42:12 AM) korn: Bryen, all: then I'll be dropping off...
 231 (11:42:18 AM) clown: another aegis question re: scheduling -- the user forum and workshop (Wed Oct 6) conflict with hackfest. Not sure which to attend. I'm leaning towards hackfest, but getting some pressure to go to aegis events.
 232 (11:42:31 AM) slee: korn: cheers
 233 (11:42:42 AM) korn: clown: I suggest you swap between then on a topic-by-topic basis.
 234 (11:42:43 AM) Bryen: clown, We're more flexible than AEGIS. We can move things around accordingly :-)
 235 (11:43:07 AM) joanie: Bryen: The schedule is here. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEventsBox/Schedule
 236 (11:43:09 AM) korn: Also: most of the user forum will be in Spanish. So unless you have pretty good Spanish, I fear you won't get much out of it.
 237 (11:43:10 AM) clown: Bryen: well, the aegis events are "all day"
 238 (11:43:15 AM) API: Bryen, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEventsBox/Schedule
 239 (11:43:22 AM) joanie: Bryen: and like API said, Emergya's got it covered
 240 (11:43:31 AM) clown: korn, that is an excellent reason for not going
 241 (11:43:34 AM) clown: :-)
 242 (11:43:52 AM) Bryen: Emergya's got what covered regarding the Event Kit?
 243 (11:44:11 AM) API: Bryen, got what?
 244 (11:44:16 AM) joanie: Bryen: It will be shipped to them, they will get it to us, we will give it back to them, they will return it to GNOME
 245 (11:44:17 AM) API: get the event kit
 246 (11:44:35 AM) Bryen: oh someone already scheduled the kit for me. ok cool
 247 (11:45:10 AM) korn: Regarding the User Forum & the Workshop, see the schedules at: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/programme.html and http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/programme.html
 248 (11:45:38 AM) joanie: Bryen: The Emergya guys on my team are local (in Sevilla). So they are helping out quite a bit on the local support stuff.
 249 (11:45:50 AM) clown: korn, those two links are the same?
 250 (11:45:59 AM) API: well, we can use this korn comment as the last one about AEGIS and try to use this 15 minutes for something else?
 251 (11:45:59 AM) slee: kron same URL twice
 252 (11:46:06 AM) korn: I think the main item of potential iterest to this group will be the English language segment from 14:00-15:30 on http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/workshop.html
 253 (11:46:20 AM) korn: clown: grump - Pidgin on this desktop does paste in wierd ways.
 254 (11:46:22 AM) joanie: yeah, let's move on
 255 (11:46:30 AM) korn: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/workshop.html and http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/userforum.html
 256 (11:46:36 AM) eeejay: i wonder if you guys are watching the agm
 257 (11:46:37 AM) clown: :-)
 258 (11:46:46 AM) eeejay: it has interesting stuff about hackfests
 259 (11:46:47 AM) joanie: eeejay: I muted it, but I was
 260 (11:47:01 AM) joanie: eeejay: by the way, we meet weekly; not twice a month ;-)
 261 (11:47:03 AM) API: eeejay, so we could just understand half of two different meetings?
 262 (11:47:05 AM) API: :P
 263 (11:47:06 AM) korn: OK, anything else AEGIS/hackfest?
 264 (11:47:08 AM) slee: eeejay: link?
 265 (11:47:13 AM) API: korn, go away!!
 266 (11:47:19 AM) korn: bye!
 267 (11:47:20 AM) joanie: lol
 268 (11:47:22 AM) korn left the room.
 269 (11:47:25 AM) fer: slee: http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/index
 270 (11:47:28 AM) API: eeejay, something interesting?
 271 (11:47:41 AM) slee: fer: tah
 272 (11:47:45 AM) eeejay: http://www.guadec.org/index.php/guadec/index
 273 (11:47:56 AM) eeejay: API: l.g.o/Hackfests
 274 (11:48:09 AM) eeejay: diedo is going over the budget and last year's hackfests
 275 (11:48:12 AM) eeejay: diego
 276 (11:48:27 AM) dexem: hi eeejay
 277 (11:48:41 AM) eeejay: hey dexem
 278 (11:48:55 AM) Bryen: well I think we're all too distracted now to get into any further discussion points on any subjects
 279 (11:49:04 AM) ***slee sad to realise is running Ffx 3.5 on this machine
 280 (11:49:09 AM) API: well, we hoped to ask Kal about
 281 (11:49:13 AM) API: gnome-mag
 282 (11:49:18 AM) API: as it is on the guadec
 283 (11:49:30 AM) Bryen: is kal here?
 284 (11:49:40 AM) fer: well, I can talk about that
 285 (11:49:42 AM) API: Bryen, no is there
 286 (11:49:54 AM) fer: Kal did the port from the initial code from Carlos Diogenes porting from bonobo to dbus
 287 (11:50:08 AM) fer: then I fixed some stuff and pushed it to gnome git master
 288 (11:50:18 AM) fer: so it's there and somehow working
 289 (11:50:28 AM) joanie: yay fer! Way to go!!
 290 (11:50:38 AM) clown: "somehow working"? congrats fer!
 291 (11:50:39 AM) fer: there are some issues that needs to be fixed, and some API function missing
 292 (11:50:43 AM) API: fer, it is pretended to be there for gnome 2.32 (not gnome 3.0 anymore) release=
 293 (11:50:44 AM) API: ?
 294 (11:50:48 AM) fer: yeah, you can try running the python test
 295 (11:51:13 AM) fer: well, Im not happy with the 2.32 thing... I would love just to have 2.30 and 6 more months for fully hacking on 3.0...
 296 (11:51:17 AM) fer: but that is another story
 297 (11:51:22 AM) fer: so, regarding mag API
 298 (11:51:32 AM) slee left the room (quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.11/20100701023340]).
 299 (11:51:35 AM) fer: clown: did you manage to implement properties as dbus propertins in gs-mag?
 300 (11:52:08 AM) clown: fer, I havne't found the time, yet. did you file bugs in gnomeshell bugzilla about that?
 301 (11:52:17 AM) fer: nop, didnt have time :)
 302 (11:52:37 AM) API: clown, you are the egg, fer is the chicken
 303 (11:52:42 AM) fer: also, we had this problem with the bounds struct interpretation...
 304 (11:52:56 AM) ***clown trying to parse the API chicken/egg analogy...
 305 (11:53:17 AM) fer: do we have any other conflicting points regarding the API?
 306 (11:53:45 AM) ***clown thinks there are too many "API" references here.
 307 (11:53:55 AM) slee [~chatzilla@stevelee.gotadsl.co.uk] entered the room.
 308 (11:54:11 AM) fer: ok, API is Alberto, and now, _api_ is the application programming interface :)
 309 (11:54:18 AM) Bryen: We don't conflict with API he's a good guy
 310 (11:54:33 AM) joanie: who's Alberto?
 311 (11:54:38 AM) fer: not alberto
 312 (11:54:39 AM) fer: Alejandro
 313 (11:54:40 AM) fer: :)
 314 (11:54:44 AM) joanie: :-P
 315 (11:54:44 AM) ***clown just knew that Bryen would pipe up somehow
 316 (11:54:48 AM) Bryen: oh great, now we have API -Alberto and API-Alejandro :-)
 317 (11:54:51 AM) ***fer and API sing latest Lady Gaga hit
 318 (11:54:59 AM) joanie: no way!
 319 (11:55:13 AM) clown: fer, are you asking if we (gs-mag and g-mag) have _api_ conflicts?
 320 (11:55:45 AM) fer: yeah
 321 (11:55:56 AM) fer: _api_ interpretation
 322 (11:55:57 AM) clown: probably :)
 323 (11:56:01 AM) fer: semantics :)
 324 (11:56:15 AM) fer: so it would be great if we do some kind of review
 325 (11:56:17 AM) clown: well, we know the one about properties.
 326 (11:56:29 AM) clown: although I don't remember the details just now.
 327 (11:56:30 AM) fer: to ensure that both implementations are aligned
 328 (11:56:37 AM) clown: yes, we should
 329 (11:56:51 AM) ***fer remembers properties and RectBounds struct meaning
 330 (11:56:52 AM) slee left the room (quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.11/20100701023340]).
 331 (11:57:26 AM) fer: ok, so let's try to find some time where we can work toghether on the review
 332 (11:57:59 AM) clown: but, here's a problem: the past two weeks have been our organization physically moving to our new offices. That should finish by end of next week. Then, I'm on vacation for the two weeks following.
 333 (11:58:08 AM) slee [~chatzilla@stevelee.gotadsl.co.uk] entered the room.
 334 (11:58:24 AM) clown: just bad timing...
 335 (11:58:31 AM) fer: well, I wont have vacations this year... so...
 336 (11:58:51 AM) joanie: Since GNOME 3.0 is now in March, I think we have a little more time
 337 (11:59:03 AM) ***clown thanks the GNOME gods.
 338 (11:59:10 AM) joanie: Who is going to do the 2.32 release of gnome-mag?
 339 (11:59:27 AM) ***Bryen sees clown offering up a rubber chicken to the GNOME gods
 340 (11:59:33 AM) joanie: Also, is Carlos D still maintaining it, or is fer (or someone else) taking his place?
 341 (11:59:35 AM) fer: joanie: we are talking about that with Kal
 342 (11:59:49 AM) fer: we dont know if gnome 2.32 is going to be shipped with bonobo or not
 343 (11:59:56 AM) ***clown clown + rubber chicken is very apropos
 344 (12:00:08 PM) joanie: fer: That was something else I was wondering about.
 345 (12:00:20 PM) joanie: API should you specifically ask about bonobo on the d-d-l?
 346 (12:00:21 PM) fer: so if bonobo is still there, it would be a matter of just taking last stable branch and make a new release
 347 (12:00:46 PM) fer: if not, well, we need to finish the dbus code and check orca integration
 348 (12:01:08 PM) fer: btw joanie, was it orca working fine with gnome-mag for gnome 2.30?
 349 (12:01:12 PM) clown: fer, whenever I goof and run orca without gnomeshell, and start up the magnifier, my screen is a mess. I assume that's the bonobo g-mag.
 350 (12:01:32 PM) joanie: fer: fine is a funny term
 351 (12:01:34 PM) joanie: :-)
 352 (12:01:41 PM) fer: clown: clown which version of gnome-mag?
 353 (12:01:41 PM) joanie: fer: it was working well enough
 354 (12:01:56 PM) fer: joanie: so I think first plan will be to get at least at that level
 355 (12:02:02 PM) clown: fer, not sure. whatever is installed by default with fedora-12
 356 (12:02:03 PM) fer: using still the "mag.py" code
 357 (12:02:07 PM) joanie: yup
 358 (12:02:43 PM) fer: and later look at improvements and possible mag.py and gsmag.py merge
 359 (12:02:52 PM) clown: and I can't check right now, cause that machine is in a packing box somewhere.
 360 (12:02:54 PM) joanie: fer: that makes sense
 361 (12:03:43 PM) clown: joanie, fer: one possible conflict between mag and gsmag is the way gsmag handles mouse tracking. currently, it changes a gconf setting.
 362 (12:03:47 PM) ***fer remembers something about fxing some non-bonobo/dbus related code on gnome-mag....
 363 (12:03:59 PM) clown: gsmag does, that is.
 364 (12:04:52 PM) ***slee waves
 365 (12:05:25 PM) Bryen: Going off-topic a min here.... API That gnumeric you sent me is that USD or Euro dollahs?
 366 (12:05:27 PM) ***joanie notes that it's after 16:00
 367 (12:06:07 PM) API: Bryen, american dollars, afaik
 368 (12:06:12 PM) Bryen: ok
 369 (12:06:21 PM) Bryen: let me give a quick Outreach update here and then I'm done....
 370 (12:06:40 PM) Bryen: I travelled around the country recently. Seems we did good for GNOME-A11y in almost every city
 371 (12:06:46 PM) slee left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
 372 (12:07:17 PM) Bryen: 1) mgorse and I went to Wesleyan in Connecticut and met with the HFOSS students. That went over well. We also got to meet heidi and talk a bit about WNEC
 373 (12:07:41 PM) heidi: I'm here! Lurking :-)
 374 (12:07:47 PM) Bryen: 2) Then went to Portland to Community Leadership Summit. Got to talk to a lot of people about GNOME-A11y. many were interested. Lined up potential sponsors there
 375 (12:08:28 PM) Bryen: Then, while still in Portland, went to BoF for Teaching Open Source with Heidi at OSCON. Very good information there. And she's on track to do the fall semester course for her students focusing on Caribou
 376 (12:09:15 PM) heidi: Yes, I'm hoping to take on the Caribou project on adding keyboards with different layouts
 377 (12:09:40 PM) API: heidi, who will mentor that?
 378 (12:09:47 PM) Bryen: 3) Then went to Las vegas to Deaf Expo and while that wasn't supposed to be about GNOME-A11y, it turns out I found soemthing to talk about. Turns out an old college friend of mine is working on getting video relay services for the deaf to work on Linux. Finally we can open up the doors of a11y to the Deaf community on Linux. Will continue investigating with him to see where he's at and let you all know more when I have more details.
 379 (12:09:56 PM) Bryen: 4) I finally came home. :-)
 380 (12:10:09 PM) ***heidi checking...
 381 (12:10:18 PM) jpwhiting: Bryen: wow, you rock!
 382 (12:10:31 PM) Bryen: oh one more thing...
 383 (12:10:38 PM) heidi: API: dexem and jrocha offered to vet the initial ideas
 384 (12:10:42 PM) Bryen: 5) GNOME-A11y presentation at Ohio Linux Fest in September
 385 (12:10:55 PM) heidi: API: I think with the thought of perhaps mentoring, but I don't want to put words in their mouths.
 386 (12:11:09 PM) clown: wow, Bryen, that's a lot of travelling.
 387 (12:11:19 PM) Bryen: and I'm being contacted also about additional interest in spreading the a11y word in brazil. Don't know what that's leading to just yet but we'll see.
 388 (12:11:47 PM) Bryen: clown, Just doing my job. :-)
 389 (12:11:55 PM) clown: cool
 390 (12:12:43 PM) dexem: hi heidi. when you will have your students ready? just to know...
 391 (12:13:00 PM) heidi: First class meeting is August 31st.
 392 (12:13:23 PM) heidi: dexem: We'll spend a week or so getting up to speed on class stuff, and then will start looking for requirements.
 393 (12:13:27 PM) Bryen: heidi, just so you know, mgorse has expressed interest in coming to meet your students sometime this fall
 394 (12:13:54 PM) API: Bryen, remember that "sometime this fall" is the AEGIS thing :P
 395 (12:13:59 PM) heidi: Bryen, I'm glad to hear about mgorse. That would be quite helpful and fun!
 396 (12:14:16 PM) API: so, 15 minutes over the time
 397 (12:14:18 PM) heidi: And I've still got a tentative plan to get students to Boston hackfest.
 398 (12:14:26 PM) Bryen: API, Really??? I thought AEGIS was in February?!?
 399 (12:14:27 PM) API: so as you have the scepter
 400 (12:14:38 PM) API: conclude the meeting when you are over
 401 (12:14:49 PM) Bryen: I was done with my "oh one more thing" :-)
 402 (12:15:19 PM) ***Bryen concludes the meeting then
 403 (12:15:36 PM) fer: joanie: add gs-mag porting to gtk3 bullet point in the TODO list :)
 404 (12:15:43 PM) API: ok MEETING is over