(11:01:11 AM) API: its time
(11:01:19 AM) API: although Li Yuan email
(11:01:21 AM) API: he is here
(11:01:28 AM) API: so you can ask anything
(11:01:46 AM) ***clown waves
(11:02:06 AM) API: well, fer here complained that this is starting to become boring
(11:02:10 AM) API: but main topic is
(11:02:12 AM) API: AEGIS
(11:02:16 AM) API: specifically funding
(11:03:46 AM) API: updating :
(11:04:00 AM) API: I was with the foundation this Sunday, explaining what the hackfest is
(11:04:13 AM) API: and showing a rough cost estimations
(11:04:22 AM) API: based on the data of the travel comitte
(11:04:30 AM) API: Bryen, is also trying to contact other options
(11:04:41 AM) API: btw
(11:04:52 AM) API: German Poo told me that about the hotel
(11:05:00 AM) API: normally local goverment has agreements with hotels
(11:05:04 AM) API: aleiva, you here?
(11:05:26 AM) API: there is any possibility to contact Junta de Andalucia in order to check if this is possible?
(11:05:43 AM) korn: I just heard that the Director of Junta de Andalusia changed, last week.
(11:05:47 AM) korn: Don't have more details on that yet.
(11:06:44 AM) API: danigm here from Andalucia doesn't know either :P
(11:06:50 AM) joanie: API I think aleiva is afk, but I'll ping him if you would like
(11:07:06 AM) API: ok
(11:07:28 AM) API: anything Im sure that this will involve a lot of boring bureocratic stuff
(11:07:52 AM) slee: api - if it's EU that's a cert
(11:08:07 AM) API: Bryen, you here?
(11:08:15 AM) API: do you want to add something more?
(11:08:20 AM) Bryen: API, No. Are you here? :-)
(11:08:37 AM) API: right, I'm there
(11:08:46 AM) API: anyway
(11:08:54 AM) API: Bryen, something to add related to funding
(11:09:00 AM) Bryen: Just that I have several leads on getting sponsorships for the hackfest and that I'm hoping to send out formal requests soon once we get an idea of what the numbers are going to be
(11:09:34 AM) API: jose felix from emergy also suggested me to try with Consorcio Fernando de los Rios
(11:09:35 AM) Bryen: particularly, I'm interested mostly in what our travel/hotel costs will be, and any additional funding will be secondary
(11:09:39 AM) API: so I will try it at least
(11:09:49 AM) API: Bryen, in your form application
(11:09:56 AM) API: you sent just
(11:09:57 AM) API: your data
(11:10:05 AM) API: or you also included the interpreters?
(11:10:13 AM) Bryen: just me
(11:10:34 AM) API: hmm, so the interpreters would require to apply for their own?
(11:10:46 AM) Bryen: the innterpreters was a separate formal request to the board. Because it may or may not be funded through separate funding. I don't know
(11:10:47 AM) API: not sure how to manage this
(11:11:11 AM) Bryen: no, we need the Board to say yes we support this, and then I guess I will go ahead and cover the costs and get reimbursed somehow.
(11:11:14 AM) API: ok, anyway, as we need to send the foundation a final
(11:11:17 AM) API: or almost final
(11:11:21 AM) API: budget estimation
(11:11:32 AM) API: we need the estimation for the interpreters as well
(11:11:42 AM) API: Bryen, as I said
(11:11:51 AM) Bryen: Well, its in that second letter which you were CC'ed on.
(11:11:58 AM) API: we explain the situation about the interpreter the monday
(11:12:06 AM) API: and they mostly agree about that
(11:12:40 AM) Bryen: I don't have specific students lined up yet. That will take a little time, but the data would generally be the same as mine as they'd be coming from Chicago
(11:12:59 AM) Bryen: I guesstimated $1500-$1750 for the two in my letter.
(11:13:20 AM) API: so to compute the budget we can do Bryen x 3,
(11:13:30 AM) API: right?
(11:14:08 AM) Bryen: API, Not exactly because 1) I'm only billing for half my airfare as I'm staying in Europe for another conference and 2) It seems more expensive to fly to seville and back to Chicago than it is for flying somewhere else in Europe then to Seville
(11:14:30 AM) Bryen: so the estimate you want is $1500-1750 for the interpreters plus $700ish for me
(11:14:39 AM) slee: Bryen: - only stereo this time?
(11:14:58 AM) API: Bryen, ok, we will use that estimation for the flights
(11:14:59 AM) Bryen: slee, If you want to fund an entourage for me, go for it. ;-)
(11:15:08 AM) API: and we could continue working for the estimation of the hotel
(11:15:13 AM) API: as it would be mostly the same for all
(11:15:25 AM) Bryen: API, That estimation included hotels. But obviously if we get a deal on hotels, that cuts the estimation down significantly
(11:15:27 AM) fer: flying directly to seville is usually a bad idea. Try flying to Madrid and then getting the high speed train to Seville
(11:15:45 AM) joanie: fer: now you tell me
(11:15:46 AM) API: Bryen, ok
(11:15:48 AM) Bryen: fer, How long is that train?
(11:15:50 AM) API: fer ik
(11:16:05 AM) fer: 2h and 10minutes
(11:16:16 AM) mgorse: fer: Thanks for the advice. I'll look into doing that
(11:16:23 AM) Bryen: ahh phooey. If it was 2h and 9 minutes I would have endorsed that. :-)
(11:16:32 AM) API: Bryen, ok, we will use your estimation, please take into account all this data, and try to update the budget
(11:16:43 AM) ***clown Bryen's always looking for a lost minute
(11:16:49 AM) API: we can refine the estimation during these weeks
(11:17:25 AM) joanie: So what are the "next steps"?
(11:17:32 AM) Bryen: API, I'm certain that whatever amount we present to the Foundation will eventually be reduced once we get sponsors in the door. They should be aware of that and hopefully put a smile on their faces
(11:17:40 AM) joanie: API, you'll keep working with Germán?
(11:18:01 AM) API: Bryen, yes for sure
(11:18:08 AM) API: fer is also making fun of me
(11:18:18 AM) API: in fact the main problem is the list of attendes
(11:18:28 AM) slee: fer thanks for tip - good flights from UK are very few. I did think of hiring car or looking for a apackage
(11:18:30 AM) API: ie: slee
(11:18:36 AM) ***joanie whacks fer on the head. Stop making fun of API ;-)
(11:18:47 AM) API: joanie, yes, I still ask for hints
(11:18:50 AM) fer: danigm can make fun of him if I stop :)
(11:18:50 AM) slee: eh?
(11:18:57 AM) ***Bryen puts helmet on fer and says keep it up!
(11:18:59 AM) joanie: API as for the list of attendees....
(11:19:05 AM) API: slee, I mean that you forgot to put the "need for sponsorhips flag" :P
(11:19:20 AM) joanie: I think the reality is that we have more people who want to come than we can afford (at least on the Foundation's dime)
(11:19:21 AM) API: joanie, yes?
(11:19:30 AM) Bryen: API, I thought slee marked no need for sponsorship
(11:19:48 AM) joanie: So I think we need to identify the "must-haves"
(11:19:57 AM) Bryen: Also FlaPer87 just told me yesterday he may not be able to go, but he thought it was in Sept. I told him he better try again. :-)
(11:20:03 AM) API: slee, the last new is that in the end you required sponsorhip, please confirm
(11:20:04 AM) slee: Bryen: no I miss understood the 2 tables. plus I'm now in a different situation
(11:20:24 AM) API: Bryen, yes we already contacted Flavio that weekend, before the meeting with the foundation
(11:20:26 AM) slee: API correct and I sent form off
(11:20:30 AM) API: slee, thanks
(11:20:42 AM) slee: Train may reduce costs
(11:21:06 AM) API: joanie, yes, we can do that as well
(11:21:09 AM) korn: Gang.... (API, I guess)... what is the precise meaning of the two tables: "Attendees" and "Hope to attend"?
(11:21:15 AM) ***Bryen nominates fer as Spain Travel Coordinator
(11:21:30 AM) API: attendes were the people that *for sure* will be there
(11:21:35 AM) korn: I see folks in the "Hope to attend" table that are local & don't need sponsorship.
(11:21:44 AM) API: hope to attend is the people that wants to be there
(11:21:44 AM) korn: Are they not "Attendees"?
(11:21:50 AM) API: but don't know due the
(11:21:51 AM) ***fer can also suggest places for good food if you stay one day in Madrid, Granada or Lisbon
(11:21:56 AM) API: different reasons
(11:22:11 AM) API: in fact the problem here is that "Attendees" lacks a column "need sponsorhip"
(11:22:13 AM) API: btw
(11:22:15 AM) API: PEOPLE
(11:22:17 AM) Bryen: korn, probably the locals either misunderstood that wishlist or even if they're local they still don't know if they're going
(11:22:28 AM) API: if you confirm that you can go there (schedule and other things)
(11:22:35 AM) API: please, move to "Attendees"
(11:22:38 AM) korn: API: if the person can only attend *if* they get sponsorship, then should they not be "Hope" folks?
(11:22:39 AM) ***slee thought tables were mutually exclusive
(11:22:46 AM) Bryen: API, umm hang on a sec there...
(11:22:57 AM) API: korn, yes I suppose
(11:23:01 AM) Bryen: Confirming whether we can go can be largely influenced by whether sponsorship is approved to travel.
(11:23:10 AM) API: but there are some people on "hope" that don't need sponsorhip
(11:23:34 AM) korn: API: yes - that's fine. Bu tif they are very local, then they should soon figure out whether or not they will attend.
(11:23:42 AM) joanie: API you need to move yourself to the top table ;-)
(11:23:55 AM) joanie: fer you too
(11:24:03 AM) fer: really?
(11:24:05 AM) Bryen: we approved API? How did this happen?!? :-)
(11:24:22 AM) joanie: fer, you're definitely coming right?
(11:24:28 AM) fer: yup
(11:24:34 AM) fer: let me move myself on the table
(11:24:36 AM) fer: :)
(11:24:46 AM) API: well, as we solved this "table problem"
(11:24:49 AM) joanie: lol
(11:24:57 AM) API: there is anything else to talk about funding?
(11:25:11 AM) Bryen: all funding requests are now sent in right? Is the door closed now?
(11:25:29 AM) API: door closed for what?
(11:25:32 AM) korn: Ummm.... how is funding done?
(11:25:41 AM) Bryen: asking for travel sponsorship
(11:25:42 AM) korn: We don't know how much we're asking for yet, do we?
(11:25:59 AM) API: korn http://live.gnome.org/Travel
(11:26:08 AM) API: korn, please read the log :P
(11:26:12 AM) API: summary
(11:26:23 AM) API: with the data people is reporting on that form
(11:26:27 AM) API: we are making a estimation
(11:26:40 AM) API: Germán poo from the travel comitte send me a estimation with the people
(11:26:46 AM) API: anyway, we need to refine that value
(11:27:00 AM) API: because not all the people registered
(11:27:09 AM) Bryen: API, To higher or lower than that rough guesstimate I gave you in email?
(11:28:55 AM) Bryen: whoa... from complete noise to absolute silence. Are we netsplitting? :-)
(11:29:26 AM) joanie: or watching the guadec stream
(11:29:27 AM) joanie: :-)
(11:29:35 AM) korn: Or getting coffee....
(11:29:36 AM) API: Bryen, I was looking for that email
(11:29:37 AM) Bryen: ok tell me what the score is
(11:29:43 AM) API: Bryen, youre were higher
(11:29:48 AM) API: as you included 15 people
(11:29:52 AM) API: not all applied on the form
(11:30:06 AM) Bryen: API, Well that's actually good news! :-)
(11:30:09 AM) API: Bryen, I have already sent you two gnumerics, :P
(11:30:29 AM) API: ok, people, half of the meeting wasted
(11:30:31 AM) Bryen: yeah and I haven't opened them yet as I've been in meetings all morning. so :-P back atcha! :-)
(11:30:32 AM) API: I mean
(11:30:33 AM) API: used
(11:30:45 AM) korn: Yup API. And I should go soon...
(11:30:48 AM) fer: actually I need to go out for a cigarrete
(11:30:50 AM) korn: Anything I should be here for?
(11:30:56 AM) API: so, I think that we should move to the next point
(11:30:57 AM) API: korn
(11:30:59 AM) API: next point is
(11:31:05 AM) Bryen: Who is the most local person we have in Seville here?
(11:31:07 AM) clown: korn, I have a question.
(11:31:09 AM) API: "other things about AEGIS not being funds"
(11:31:13 AM) fer: danigm lives there
(11:31:14 AM) joanie: korn: we need Brian Nitz' stuff
(11:31:19 AM) fer: but now is here, that is, Holland
(11:31:19 AM) danigm: i'm there
(11:31:29 AM) Bryen: ok so I'll boher danigm when i ahve questions
danigm davidb
(11:32:00 AM) korn: joanie: ah yes. Sorry. I just got back from DC last night (lots of fun at the 20th anniversary of the ADA). I'll work on that.
(11:32:09 AM) joanie: korn: thanks!
(11:32:22 AM) clown: korn, jan is encouraging me to register for aegis... you said we should register as students, but there was an issue with student IDs. Any news on that?
(11:32:25 AM) korn: Meanwhile, i have confirmed that we have 1 room for the hackfest on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Saturday; and 2 rooms on Monday, Thursday, and Friday.
(11:32:35 AM) Bryen: korn, Did you see my buddy Marlee?
(11:32:38 AM) joanie: super
(11:32:51 AM) korn: clown: register as a student. Get the student rate.
(11:33:02 AM) korn: All GNOME A11y Hackfest folks get the student rate.
(11:33:08 AM) clown: korn, what do I use for student ID: "GNOME"?
(11:33:13 AM) korn: If the form won't let you submit without a student ID, use "GNOME" as the id.
(11:33:25 AM) clown: okay. thanks
(11:33:38 AM) Bryen: let's hope that's not a one-time use field :-)
(11:33:47 AM) korn: We'll find out soon...
(11:33:52 AM) prlw1: what do aegis gnome folk register as?
(11:34:15 AM) API: prlw1, as student, as korn has just said :P
(11:34:19 AM) korn: There should be a payment desk at the event, so folks can pay when they arrive (vs. in advance). So if we run into form problems, they can be handled on-site.
(11:34:30 AM) API: korn, ok, good to know
(11:34:50 AM) API: I was thinking about the people waiting for the sponsorship answer from foundation
(11:34:53 AM) korn: prlw1: in general AEGIS folks should be fully paying members. (using EC's money)
(11:35:07 AM) slee: korn I register for Aegis as normal using GNOME. Did not get anything about payment yet is that correct?
(11:35:23 AM) ***slee see then aswer
(11:35:27 AM) korn: We're still having, er... "fun" (yah, that's it) with payment processing.
(11:35:57 AM) korn: slee: yes, register as student/GNOME
(11:36:23 AM) slee: so I might have got it wrong as it let me give ID w/o selecting student
(11:36:39 AM) slee: korn: sorry to be a pain
(11:36:44 AM) korn: s'ok slee.
(11:36:52 AM) Bryen: ok so other non-funding related topics: I'm going to send out an email next week asking who can participate at the Booth
(11:37:10 AM) Bryen: korn, is a booth automatic for us now or do I need to do something to get the booth space?
(11:37:20 AM) korn: And Bryen/all: the booth doesn't need to be staffed 100% of the time of both conference days.
(11:37:33 AM) API: Bryen, korn already confirmed that we have the space
(11:37:33 AM) korn: We'll have specific time slots when it'll be open; otherwise closed.
(11:37:40 AM) joanie: I believe I've got all the times on the schedule on the wiki
(11:37:44 AM) API: you can read the previous meeting minutes
(11:37:45 AM) Bryen: right okay
(11:37:48 AM) korn: joanie, right, thanks.
(11:37:54 AM) fer: network access is more important than space
(11:38:07 AM) korn: We should have WiFi everywhere in our rooms.
(11:38:18 AM) Bryen: fer, We're running an ethernet cable to danigm's house
(11:38:19 AM) joanie: korn, if (later, when you have a chance) you could confirm I have all the times correct that would be awesome
(11:38:21 AM) korn: I suspect we'll need to circulate the passwrod (that it won't be open)
(11:39:07 AM) korn: joanie: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/programme.html will be "controlling" for this. If that changes (e.g. lunch shifts), then booth times shift.
(11:39:21 AM) joanie: gotcha. thanks korn
(11:39:30 AM) Bryen: korn, Whats the expected conference attendance?
(11:40:14 AM) korn: Bryen: hard to say. We're prepared for several hundreds. But until we get closer we won't have registration data.
(11:40:23 AM) Bryen: ok
(11:41:16 AM) Bryen: so I'll handle all the booth stuff. Already inquiring where the European GNOME event kit is at and will handle all other planning for it.
(11:41:28 AM) korn: Great Bryen, thanks.
(11:41:46 AM) API: Bryen, Emergya people already asked for the european event kit
(11:41:53 AM) Bryen: I think we've gone as far as we can for this point in time discussing AEGIS and should give time to other topics
(11:42:12 AM) korn: Bryen, all: then I'll be dropping off...
(11:42:18 AM) clown: another aegis question re: scheduling -- the user forum and workshop (Wed Oct 6) conflict with hackfest. Not sure which to attend. I'm leaning towards hackfest, but getting some pressure to go to aegis events.
(11:42:31 AM) slee: korn: cheers
(11:42:42 AM) korn: clown: I suggest you swap between then on a topic-by-topic basis.
(11:42:43 AM) Bryen: clown, We're more flexible than AEGIS. We can move things around accordingly :-)
(11:43:07 AM) joanie: Bryen: The schedule is here. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEventsBox/Schedule
(11:43:09 AM) korn: Also: most of the user forum will be in Spanish. So unless you have pretty good Spanish, I fear you won't get much out of it.
(11:43:10 AM) clown: Bryen: well, the aegis events are "all day"
(11:43:15 AM) API: Bryen, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEventsBox/Schedule
(11:43:22 AM) joanie: Bryen: and like API said, Emergya's got it covered
(11:43:31 AM) clown: korn, that is an excellent reason for not going
(11:43:34 AM) clown: :-)
(11:43:52 AM) Bryen: Emergya's got what covered regarding the Event Kit?
(11:44:11 AM) API: Bryen, got what?
(11:44:16 AM) joanie: Bryen: It will be shipped to them, they will get it to us, we will give it back to them, they will return it to GNOME
(11:44:17 AM) API: get the event kit
(11:44:35 AM) Bryen: oh someone already scheduled the kit for me. ok cool
(11:45:10 AM) korn: Regarding the User Forum & the Workshop, see the schedules at: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/programme.html and http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/programme.html
(11:45:38 AM) joanie: Bryen: The Emergya guys on my team are local (in Sevilla). So they are helping out quite a bit on the local support stuff.
(11:45:50 AM) clown: korn, those two links are the same?
(11:45:59 AM) API: well, we can use this korn comment as the last one about AEGIS and try to use this 15 minutes for something else?
(11:45:59 AM) slee: kron same URL twice
(11:46:06 AM) korn: I think the main item of potential iterest to this group will be the English language segment from 14:00-15:30 on http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/workshop.html
(11:46:20 AM) korn: clown: grump - Pidgin on this desktop does paste in wierd ways.
(11:46:22 AM) joanie: yeah, let's move on
(11:46:30 AM) korn: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/workshop.html and http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/userforum.html
(11:46:36 AM) eeejay: i wonder if you guys are watching the agm
(11:46:37 AM) clown: :-)
(11:46:46 AM) eeejay: it has interesting stuff about hackfests
(11:46:47 AM) joanie: eeejay: I muted it, but I was
(11:47:01 AM) joanie: eeejay: by the way, we meet weekly; not twice a month ;-)
(11:47:03 AM) API: eeejay, so we could just understand half of two different meetings?
(11:47:05 AM) API: :P
(11:47:06 AM) korn: OK, anything else AEGIS/hackfest?
(11:47:08 AM) slee: eeejay: link?
(11:47:13 AM) API: korn, go away!!
(11:47:19 AM) korn: bye!
(11:47:20 AM) joanie: lol
(11:47:22 AM) korn left the room.
(11:47:25 AM) fer: slee: http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/index
(11:47:28 AM) API: eeejay, something interesting?
(11:47:41 AM) slee: fer: tah
(11:47:45 AM) eeejay: http://www.guadec.org/index.php/guadec/index
(11:47:56 AM) eeejay: API: l.g.o/Hackfests
(11:48:09 AM) eeejay: diedo is going over the budget and last year's hackfests
(11:48:12 AM) eeejay: diego
(11:48:27 AM) dexem: hi eeejay
(11:48:41 AM) eeejay: hey dexem
(11:48:55 AM) Bryen: well I think we're all too distracted now to get into any further discussion points on any subjects
(11:49:04 AM) ***slee sad to realise is running Ffx 3.5 on this machine
(11:49:09 AM) API: well, we hoped to ask Kal about
(11:49:13 AM) API: gnome-mag
(11:49:18 AM) API: as it is on the guadec
(11:49:30 AM) Bryen: is kal here?
(11:49:40 AM) fer: well, I can talk about that
(11:49:42 AM) API: Bryen, no is there
(11:49:54 AM) fer: Kal did the port from the initial code from Carlos Diogenes porting from bonobo to dbus
(11:50:08 AM) fer: then I fixed some stuff and pushed it to gnome git master
(11:50:18 AM) fer: so it's there and somehow working
(11:50:28 AM) joanie: yay fer! Way to go!!
(11:50:38 AM) clown: "somehow working"? congrats fer!
(11:50:39 AM) fer: there are some issues that needs to be fixed, and some API function missing
(11:50:43 AM) API: fer, it is pretended to be there for gnome 2.32 (not gnome 3.0 anymore) release=
(11:50:44 AM) API: ?
(11:50:48 AM) fer: yeah, you can try running the python test
(11:51:13 AM) fer: well, Im not happy with the 2.32 thing... I would love just to have 2.30 and 6 more months for fully hacking on 3.0...
(11:51:17 AM) fer: but that is another story
(11:51:22 AM) fer: so, regarding mag API
(11:51:32 AM) slee left the room (quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.11/20100701023340]).
(11:51:35 AM) fer: clown: did you manage to implement properties as dbus propertins in gs-mag?
(11:52:08 AM) clown: fer, I havne't found the time, yet. did you file bugs in gnomeshell bugzilla about that?
(11:52:17 AM) fer: nop, didnt have time :)
(11:52:37 AM) API: clown, you are the egg, fer is the chicken
(11:52:42 AM) fer: also, we had this problem with the bounds struct interpretation...
(11:52:56 AM) ***clown trying to parse the API chicken/egg analogy...
(11:53:17 AM) fer: do we have any other conflicting points regarding the API?
(11:53:45 AM) ***clown thinks there are too many "API" references here.
(11:53:55 AM) slee [~chatzilla@stevelee.gotadsl.co.uk] entered the room.
(11:54:11 AM) fer: ok, API is Alberto, and now, _api_ is the application programming interface :)
(11:54:18 AM) Bryen: We don't conflict with API he's a good guy
(11:54:33 AM) joanie: who's Alberto?
(11:54:38 AM) fer: not alberto
(11:54:39 AM) fer: Alejandro
(11:54:40 AM) fer: :)
(11:54:44 AM) joanie: :-P
(11:54:44 AM) ***clown just knew that Bryen would pipe up somehow
(11:54:48 AM) Bryen: oh great, now we have API -Alberto and API-Alejandro :-)
(11:54:51 AM) ***fer and API sing latest Lady Gaga hit
(11:54:59 AM) joanie: no way!
(11:55:13 AM) clown: fer, are you asking if we (gs-mag and g-mag) have _api_ conflicts?
(11:55:45 AM) fer: yeah
(11:55:56 AM) fer: _api_ interpretation
(11:55:57 AM) clown: probably :)
(11:56:01 AM) fer: semantics :)
(11:56:15 AM) fer: so it would be great if we do some kind of review
(11:56:17 AM) clown: well, we know the one about properties.
(11:56:29 AM) clown: although I don't remember the details just now.
(11:56:30 AM) fer: to ensure that both implementations are aligned
(11:56:37 AM) clown: yes, we should
(11:56:51 AM) ***fer remembers properties and RectBounds struct meaning
(11:56:52 AM) slee left the room (quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.11/20100701023340]).
(11:57:26 AM) fer: ok, so let's try to find some time where we can work toghether on the review
(11:57:59 AM) clown: but, here's a problem: the past two weeks have been our organization physically moving to our new offices. That should finish by end of next week. Then, I'm on vacation for the two weeks following.
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(11:58:24 AM) clown: just bad timing...
(11:58:31 AM) fer: well, I wont have vacations this year... so...
(11:58:51 AM) joanie: Since GNOME 3.0 is now in March, I think we have a little more time
(11:59:03 AM) ***clown thanks the GNOME gods.
(11:59:10 AM) joanie: Who is going to do the 2.32 release of gnome-mag?
(11:59:27 AM) ***Bryen sees clown offering up a rubber chicken to the GNOME gods
(11:59:33 AM) joanie: Also, is Carlos D still maintaining it, or is fer (or someone else) taking his place?
(11:59:35 AM) fer: joanie: we are talking about that with Kal
(11:59:49 AM) fer: we dont know if gnome 2.32 is going to be shipped with bonobo or not
(11:59:56 AM) ***clown clown + rubber chicken is very apropos
(12:00:08 PM) joanie: fer: That was something else I was wondering about.
(12:00:20 PM) joanie: API should you specifically ask about bonobo on the d-d-l?
(12:00:21 PM) fer: so if bonobo is still there, it would be a matter of just taking last stable branch and make a new release
(12:00:46 PM) fer: if not, well, we need to finish the dbus code and check orca integration
(12:01:08 PM) fer: btw joanie, was it orca working fine with gnome-mag for gnome 2.30?
(12:01:12 PM) clown: fer, whenever I goof and run orca without gnomeshell, and start up the magnifier, my screen is a mess. I assume that's the bonobo g-mag.
(12:01:32 PM) joanie: fer: fine is a funny term
(12:01:34 PM) joanie: :-)
(12:01:41 PM) fer: clown: clown which version of gnome-mag?
(12:01:41 PM) joanie: fer: it was working well enough
(12:01:56 PM) fer: joanie: so I think first plan will be to get at least at that level
(12:02:02 PM) clown: fer, not sure. whatever is installed by default with fedora-12
(12:02:03 PM) fer: using still the "mag.py" code
(12:02:07 PM) joanie: yup
(12:02:43 PM) fer: and later look at improvements and possible mag.py and gsmag.py merge
(12:02:52 PM) clown: and I can't check right now, cause that machine is in a packing box somewhere.
(12:02:54 PM) joanie: fer: that makes sense
(12:03:43 PM) clown: joanie, fer: one possible conflict between mag and gsmag is the way gsmag handles mouse tracking. currently, it changes a gconf setting.
(12:03:47 PM) ***fer remembers something about fxing some non-bonobo/dbus related code on gnome-mag....
(12:03:59 PM) clown: gsmag does, that is.
(12:04:52 PM) ***slee waves
(12:05:25 PM) Bryen: Going off-topic a min here.... API That gnumeric you sent me is that USD or Euro dollahs?
(12:05:27 PM) ***joanie notes that it's after 16:00
(12:06:07 PM) API: Bryen, american dollars, afaik
(12:06:12 PM) Bryen: ok
(12:06:21 PM) Bryen: let me give a quick Outreach update here and then I'm done....
(12:06:40 PM) Bryen: I travelled around the country recently. Seems we did good for GNOME-A11y in almost every city
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(12:07:17 PM) Bryen: 1) mgorse and I went to Wesleyan in Connecticut and met with the HFOSS students. That went over well. We also got to meet heidi and talk a bit about WNEC
(12:07:41 PM) heidi: I'm here! Lurking :-)
(12:07:47 PM) Bryen: 2) Then went to Portland to Community Leadership Summit. Got to talk to a lot of people about GNOME-A11y. many were interested. Lined up potential sponsors there
(12:08:28 PM) Bryen: Then, while still in Portland, went to BoF for Teaching Open Source with Heidi at OSCON. Very good information there. And she's on track to do the fall semester course for her students focusing on Caribou
(12:09:15 PM) heidi: Yes, I'm hoping to take on the Caribou project on adding keyboards with different layouts
(12:09:40 PM) API: heidi, who will mentor that?
(12:09:47 PM) Bryen: 3) Then went to Las vegas to Deaf Expo and while that wasn't supposed to be about GNOME-A11y, it turns out I found soemthing to talk about. Turns out an old college friend of mine is working on getting video relay services for the deaf to work on Linux. Finally we can open up the doors of a11y to the Deaf community on Linux. Will continue investigating with him to see where he's at and let you all know more when I have more details.
(12:09:56 PM) Bryen: 4) I finally came home. :-)
(12:10:09 PM) ***heidi checking...
(12:10:18 PM) jpwhiting: Bryen: wow, you rock!
(12:10:31 PM) Bryen: oh one more thing...
(12:10:38 PM) heidi: API: dexem and jrocha offered to vet the initial ideas
(12:10:42 PM) Bryen: 5) GNOME-A11y presentation at Ohio Linux Fest in September
(12:10:55 PM) heidi: API: I think with the thought of perhaps mentoring, but I don't want to put words in their mouths.
(12:11:09 PM) clown: wow, Bryen, that's a lot of travelling.
(12:11:19 PM) Bryen: and I'm being contacted also about additional interest in spreading the a11y word in brazil. Don't know what that's leading to just yet but we'll see.
(12:11:47 PM) Bryen: clown, Just doing my job. :-)
(12:11:55 PM) clown: cool
(12:12:43 PM) dexem: hi heidi. when you will have your students ready? just to know...
(12:13:00 PM) heidi: First class meeting is August 31st.
(12:13:23 PM) heidi: dexem: We'll spend a week or so getting up to speed on class stuff, and then will start looking for requirements.
(12:13:27 PM) Bryen: heidi, just so you know, mgorse has expressed interest in coming to meet your students sometime this fall
(12:13:54 PM) API: Bryen, remember that "sometime this fall" is the AEGIS thing :P
(12:13:59 PM) heidi: Bryen, I'm glad to hear about mgorse. That would be quite helpful and fun!
(12:14:16 PM) API: so, 15 minutes over the time
(12:14:18 PM) heidi: And I've still got a tentative plan to get students to Boston hackfest.
(12:14:26 PM) Bryen: API, Really??? I thought AEGIS was in February?!?
(12:14:27 PM) API: so as you have the scepter
(12:14:38 PM) API: conclude the meeting when you are over
(12:14:49 PM) Bryen: I was done with my "oh one more thing" :-)
(12:15:19 PM) ***Bryen concludes the meeting then
(12:15:36 PM) fer: joanie: add gs-mag porting to gtk3 bullet point in the TODO list :)
(12:15:43 PM) API: ok MEETING is over