(11:03:04 AM) API: meeting time!
(11:03:12 AM) fer: yuhu!
(11:03:15 AM) joanie: Hey
(11:04:03 AM) korn: Hey gang!
(11:04:12 AM) API: korn, good to see you here
(11:04:19 AM) API: I have a question for you
(11:04:32 AM) korn: OK. and I have news as well...
(11:04:39 AM) ***clown waves 'hello'
(11:04:45 AM) API: well, you first or me first?
(11:04:55 AM) korn: Oh, please - you go ahead
(11:05:03 AM) API: ok, it is about CENATIC funding
(11:05:13 AM) API: as fer said some days ago in the channel
(11:05:25 AM) API: we didn't get it, as
(11:05:33 AM) API: they suddenly found two GNOME related proposals
(11:05:39 AM) API: they give that to GUADEC es
(11:05:40 AM) API: anyway
(11:05:44 AM) API: there is another possibility
(11:06:00 AM) API: CENATIC is a organization that promotes free software in spain
(11:06:08 AM) API: they are doing some
(11:06:13 AM) API: a11y related things
(11:06:25 AM) API: on north of spain (Asturias if I remember)
(11:06:39 AM) API: so in order to justify give another fund
(11:06:49 AM) API: would be have a presentation on AEGIS
(11:06:54 AM) API: you know, political reasons
(11:07:06 AM) API: I think that a talk like that
(11:07:07 AM) API: has sense
(11:07:10 AM) API: but not sure
(11:07:34 AM) API: korn, how feasible do you see a talk like that to be accepted?
(11:07:36 AM) korn: Ah. Well, they should contact me directly - please give them my e-mail address if you haven't already. Certainly they can have a booth, and a poster. Adding them to the presentation list is more work.
(11:07:52 AM) API: korn, ok awesome
(11:08:03 AM) korn: Is it the case that, if they get a presentation, they will give the GNOME hackfest money?
(11:08:10 AM) API: I was not sure about it, as hackfest and AEGIS conference are somewhat parallel things
(11:08:27 AM) API: korn, well, as in any political thing, *probably* but not 100% sure
(11:08:46 AM) API: after meeting, I will wrote a presentation mail with jose angel
(11:08:52 AM) korn: OK. In any case, we should do this directly between them & me.
(11:08:53 AM) API: president of GNOME hispano
(11:09:05 AM) API: and currently working as well on CENATIC related things
(11:09:13 AM) ***API fer correct me if Im ok
(11:09:23 AM) ***API I mean wrong
(11:09:30 AM) fer: you are ok
(11:09:32 AM) fer: :)
(11:09:34 AM) API: korn, ok thanks
(11:09:37 AM) API: fer, ok thanks
(11:09:49 AM) API: korn, this was my special question for you
(11:10:03 AM) API: korn, so you can go on with
(11:10:05 AM) API: your news
(11:10:33 AM) fer: for the record, the a11y project CENATIC is working on is somehow related with Dyslexia
(11:10:35 AM) fer: IIRC
(11:10:38 AM) korn: My news is: http://www.aegis-conference.eu/
(11:10:46 AM) korn: The conference page is now live.
(11:11:04 AM) ***clown congratulates korn
(11:11:25 AM) API: very good shape
(11:11:26 AM) API: hmm
(11:11:37 AM) API: clown, in the end you are not going to coming here?
(11:11:40 AM) API: on the magnifier
(11:11:41 AM) korn: You will note that the hackfest reference page is a little thin... (http://www.aegis-conference.eu/pages/hackfest.html)
(11:11:44 AM) API: it appears Jan Richards
(11:12:16 AM) clown: API, what about Jan Richards (he's sitting about 3 metres away from me).
(11:12:19 AM) clown: ?
(11:12:24 AM) korn: So one of the things I would like to do is get that fixed soon.
(11:12:38 AM) API: clown, I mean that I though that you would be the one doing the talk
(11:12:47 AM) API: korn, "Details to be announced." ;)
(11:13:14 AM) clown: API, depends on funding. Word from above is: if I can get funding from Gnome Foundation, then I will go and give the talk
(11:14:04 AM) clown: I believe Jan is committed to going regardless. So, if I don't go, he gets to give all of the talks.
(11:14:12 AM) clown: lucky him!
(11:14:22 AM) korn: clown - OK, good. We need Jan there for other (nefarious) purposes.
(11:14:45 AM) korn: Still, I also hope we see you there!
(11:14:58 AM) clown: korn, what about benign purposes? (never mind me ...)
(11:15:13 AM) korn: Oh, benign for you, nefarious for Jan :-)
(11:15:15 AM) API: clown, ok thanks
(11:15:19 AM) API: korn, anything else?
(11:15:20 AM) clown: API, wlcm
(11:15:44 AM) korn: Well... Just that I would like to get the hackfest page on the AEGIS conf. website filled in.
(11:15:59 AM) korn: That means we need to settle on what days the hackfest will happen. Is that done yet?
(11:16:13 AM) joanie: I thought we had done that
(11:16:22 AM) korn: Oh, cool.
(11:16:24 AM) joanie: Is the schedule on the wiki not sufficient?
(11:16:29 AM) davidb: korn!
(11:16:34 AM) ***davidb waves
(11:16:37 AM) korn: davidb!
(11:16:48 AM) davidb: sorry to interrupt. carry on :)
(11:17:01 AM) joanie: we also need to know about rooms, etc.
(11:17:10 AM) joanie: HOWEVER, what we really really need to talk about is funding
(11:17:27 AM) korn: joanie: yes, the schedule is sufficient.
(11:17:31 AM) joanie: therefore, I propose that we table the current discussion until after we've addressed the topic for today's meeting
(11:17:44 AM) clown: second that
(11:18:34 AM) API: people, take a look to current "draft agenda"
(11:18:39 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20100708#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting
(11:19:24 AM) API: first, people that wants
(11:19:32 AM) API: funding from foundation
(11:19:36 AM) API: to travel
(11:19:39 AM) API: should start to use
(11:19:46 AM) API: instructions here
(11:19:48 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Travel.
(11:22:14 AM) API: we don't know exactly how much we have from foundation, but it is good to start to coordinate it
(11:22:14 AM) fer: so, what options are we considering for funding? Only GNOME Foundation and CENATIC?
(11:22:44 AM) joanie: fer look at the agenda API linked to
(11:22:52 AM) joanie: under "Other Possibilities"
(11:22:55 AM) API: btw, about travel
(11:23:18 AM) API: probably it would be good too add a column "roommate" like CSUN hackfest
(11:23:59 AM) joanie: API actually, for GNOME funding, I believe tradition is if you want sponsorship, you will have a roommate
(11:24:12 AM) fer: joanie: I would add there: "Trying to get some funds from companies working on GNOME a11y", although I don't know how realistic is that
(11:24:27 AM) API: joanie, ok
(11:24:29 AM) joanie: so perhaps people should just plan on getting a roommate
(11:24:39 AM) joanie: and work it out amongst themselves
(11:25:09 AM) joanie: When I went to CSUN (as the ONLY woman, and thus roommateless), I had to pick up the other half of the room myself
(11:25:38 AM) clown: joanie, that's a crim
(11:25:39 AM) clown: e
(11:25:45 AM) API: fer, well most of the companies working on GNOME a11y are already on AdBoard
(11:25:49 AM) joanie: (I don't do roomies anyway, so it's a non issue)
(11:26:08 AM) fer: API: Yaco, Emergya and my company are not :)
(11:26:34 AM) ***API this is the reason I said most, not all :P
(11:26:43 AM) API: fer, but ok
(11:26:47 AM) joanie: fer: Since Emergya has taken a significant role on the Orca team, I'm already working with those guys
(11:26:52 AM) joanie: (re funding other stuff)
(11:26:56 AM) joanie: if you could approach your company
(11:27:05 AM) joanie: and someone approach Yaco....
(11:27:09 AM) joanie: that would be great
(11:28:46 AM) fer: well, I could approach myself :)
(11:28:49 AM) API: ok, other issue would be how interact with AdBoard
(11:29:14 AM) API: Brian Cameron suggested both put in contact with Stormy, to make a typical approach
(11:29:33 AM) API: and also "send a a11y representative" to next AdBoard meeting
(11:29:44 AM) API: also asking for a one if required
(11:30:32 AM) API: we should ask them when will be the next meeting
(11:31:42 AM) API: so, do you have any candidate to be a a11y link?
(11:32:05 AM) API: korn, you are used to this kind of bureaucracy, and you are
(11:32:10 AM) ***joanie laughs
(11:32:18 AM) API: knows a lot about AEGIS
(11:32:23 AM) korn: Korn, "Speaker to bureaucrats"
(11:32:35 AM) API: not sure about how much work in your plate do you have
(11:32:42 AM) joanie: Korn, "Big Picture Guy"
(11:32:47 AM) korn: I need to check on a few things before I can answer/accept your offer.
(11:33:08 AM) joanie: korn: Could we ask you to add checking on those things to your (lengthy) to do list?
(11:33:11 AM) korn: joanie: I'm actually riffing on a David Niven concept: "Speaker to animals".
(11:33:22 AM) API: see, you have define it as "offer", a really diplomatic answer
(11:33:24 AM) joanie: korn: aha. sorry
(11:33:28 AM) korn: korn sighs...
(11:33:34 AM) ***clown wonders if Dr. Moreau is on the ad board.
(11:34:05 AM) API: ok, I think that we can decide it once we found when next adboard meeting will be
(11:34:15 AM) ***clown notes that diplomacy speaks positively to korn's credentials in this context
(11:34:30 AM) joanie: korn: This strikes me as a beyond-AEGIS, long-term opportunity to help the AdBoard understand the work being done in a11y. Therefore, someone skilled in this area is highly desirable
(11:34:57 AM) joanie: delegating the grunt work to those of us with less diplomatic skill is an option
(11:35:17 AM) korn: Thank you all for your praise. You have convinced me that this is important work and that I likely have the skills for it.
(11:35:34 AM) korn: Now the question is whether I am able to do it (beyond reasons of skill set).
(11:35:40 AM) korn: I can't answer that just now.
(11:35:46 AM) API: I have just asked it, and it seems that will be one AdBoard meeting
(11:35:48 AM) korn: I'll add that to my (lengthly) AI list.
(11:35:52 AM) API: on this guaded
(11:35:56 AM) API: s/guaded/guadec
(11:36:03 AM) joanie: korn: Thank you for considering it!
(11:36:32 AM) API: anyway, when I asked that the first reaction was asking if there isn't enough money
(11:37:12 AM) API: Brian Cameron ask German Poo to check current a11y budget
(11:37:24 AM) API: so one thing would be check if it is enough
(11:37:32 AM) API: again, please people
(11:37:56 AM) API: http://live.gnome.org/Travel
(11:39:11 AM) danigm_out is now known as danigm
(11:39:12 AM) API: well, other Brian Cameron proposal
(11:39:19 AM) API: was about starting a new
(11:39:31 AM) API: Friends of GNOME campaign
(11:39:43 AM) API: similar to the one used to hire a sysadmin
(11:39:52 AM) API: what do you think about it?
(11:39:58 AM) API: good idea? bad idea?
(11:40:03 AM) API: hot? cold? warm?
(11:40:08 AM) fer: how much money did they raise?
(11:40:20 AM) fer: 20k USD?
(11:40:26 AM) korn: API: this is focused on a11y I presume?
(11:40:51 AM) API: korn, yes, Brian exact words were
(11:40:54 AM) API: "Starting a Friends of GNOME campaign for a11y"
(11:40:59 AM) API: fer, no idea
(11:41:07 AM) API: anyone knows it?
(11:41:14 AM) korn: I like the idea so far... but more details are needed.
(11:41:52 AM) korn: For what would the funds be allocated? Who would allocate them? By doing this, do we (effectively) cut ourselves off from asking the GNOME Foundation for money for stuff, since "you have your own fund"?
(11:43:00 AM) korn: Also, I think anything here should be coordinated with what is happening in GNU accessibility land. From a funding perspective, there is a lot of overlap. Not all FOSS a11y work will necessarily be part of GNOME (e.g. TTS).
(11:44:26 AM) API: korn, well those are good questions
(11:44:33 AM) API: korn, but as far as I see
(11:44:50 AM) API: we are trying to get extra funds as we found suddenly a "new hackfest"
(11:45:07 AM) API: probably it were not planned to have two a11y hackfests on the same year
(11:45:58 AM) korn: How much different is it - in this short term immediate hackfest need - to spin up a new "Friends of GNOME a11y" effort vs. simply having any donations go to the general GNOME Foundation with a "for a11y" tag on them?
(11:46:29 AM) korn: Again, it isn't that I'm opposed to a "Friends of GNOME a11y" thing, I'm just trying to be pragmatic, especially if this is significantly about meeting an immediate, short term need.
(11:46:49 AM) yippi left the room (quit: Leaving).
(11:46:52 AM) API: korn, as far as I understood Brian
(11:46:57 AM) API: and taking into account
(11:47:08 AM) API: what he mentioned marketing
(11:47:43 AM) API: it would be just use marketing team in order to promote current friends of GNOME towards a push on a11y
(11:47:48 AM) API: but you are right
(11:48:09 AM) API: at this moment anyone who wants to use Friends of GNOME can already set a a11y tag
(11:48:17 AM) API: korn, and don't worry
(11:48:47 AM) API: as I said before to joanie, i was not sure about this FOG thing
(11:48:57 AM) API: although you have real reasons about it
(11:49:05 AM) ***joanie chuckles
(11:49:58 AM) API: in some way, Brian Cameron idea was more start a marketing campaign about help a11y
(11:50:17 AM) API: anyway, you are right that this:
(11:50:21 AM) API: <korn> For what would the funds be allocated? Who would allocate them? By doing this, do we (effectively) cut ourselves off from asking the GNOME Foundation for money for stuff, since "you have your own fund"?
(11:50:26 AM) API: could be problematic
(11:50:30 AM) API: we can ask this also
(11:50:40 AM) korn: That makes sense to me API. Seems like that should be a thought0out effort, not something done hurridly just to help with the Seville hackfest.
(11:50:44 AM) API: korn, about overlapping with gnu accessibility
(11:51:00 AM) API: not sure how solve it
(11:51:18 AM) korn: Oh, for GNU overlap, I'd work to solve that by having discussions with Chris Hofstadter about it.
(11:51:29 AM) API: I mean, that for sure it would be interesting to have, for example, KDE a11y people there
(11:51:42 AM) API: but not sure how focus funding in that case
(11:52:24 AM) korn: For me, fundamentally, if GNU a11y is already planning on something like this, then we might just align our effort with and around that. If not, then going forward within the GNOME context makes sense.
(11:52:36 AM) korn: (again, assuming we can get good answers to the other questions)
(11:55:03 AM) API: yes
(11:55:14 AM) korn: So API, joanie: is there more we can decide on FOG-a today? Are there other topics? We're nearly at the end of the hour...
(11:55:38 AM) API: not sure if I'm forgetting something
(11:55:56 AM) API: fer also commented about ping directly on companies
(11:56:01 AM) joanie: The only other thing on the agenda is coming up with the concrete plan
(11:56:08 AM) API: although this woudl be something that foundation would be also do
(11:56:17 AM) joanie: API you and I have been working on the schedule already (adding goals, etc.)
(11:56:45 AM) joanie: You and I should probably also relook at what we've done to be sure that we have items of clear value to would-be sponsors identified, etc.
(11:56:56 AM) korn: For the plan: my suggestion is we set a date for everyone who wants travel funding to have that stated on the wiki and applied via http://live.gnome.org/Travel.
(11:56:58 AM) joanie: (I think we're already mostly there.)
(11:57:11 AM) joanie: korn: +1
(11:57:17 AM) clown: korn, second that
(11:57:23 AM) joanie: How much time is enough time?
(11:57:26 AM) korn: Then we take that to GNOME Foundation, other potential folks.
(11:57:26 AM) joanie: 2 weeks?
(11:57:30 AM) API: joanie, you mean identify which things are required to be funded?
(11:57:38 AM) joanie: API not exactly
(11:57:54 AM) korn: joanie: From now? I'm thinking in terms of days, not weeks. Folks have know about this for a while.
(11:58:04 AM) joanie: korn: ok 1 week?
(11:58:13 AM) korn: We should get this nailed down quickly, so we can move to the second phase and try to get it funded.
(11:58:24 AM) korn: joanie: I'd say at most 1 week.
(11:58:33 AM) joanie: how about this: Deadline is next Thursday. Then we remind people one last time at next week's meeting (and via list)
(11:58:58 AM) joanie: Friday 23d July we close things
(12:00:35 PM) ***API urgh guadec-es starts 22 July
(12:00:48 PM) API: in fact it is good to try to have things done at that moment
(12:01:00 PM) API: if in the end there are a AdBoard meeting on guadec
(12:02:49 PM) API: people, meeting end time!
(12:03:02 PM) API: something missing in this meeting?
(12:03:05 PM) joanie: API, we need a deadline to apply? 22nd?
(12:03:13 PM) joanie: with a "do it now!!!!" clause
(12:04:03 PM) API: 22/23 are fine, I suppose
(12:04:18 PM) joanie: k
(12:04:31 PM) ***clown thinks, in addition to many exclamation marks, that should be in caps: DO IT NOW!!!
(12:06:30 PM) API: well, lets say then that the meeting is over
(12:06:36 PM) API: thanks to come
(12:06:44 PM) clown: thanks for chairing API