**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 8 08:03:57 2010 Jul 08 08:03:57 * Now talking on #a11y Jul 08 08:05:05 sorry, I'm late Jul 08 08:05:25 joanie, has the meeting started already? Jul 08 08:05:30 no sir Jul 08 08:05:41 * TheMuso waves. Jul 08 08:05:43 It's not a meeting without you Jul 08 08:07:46 well, I think that its time to start it Jul 08 08:08:07 :-) Jul 08 08:08:28 * msanchez (~msanchez@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) has joined #a11y Jul 08 08:08:52 well, first item AEGIS hackfest Jul 08 08:09:36 agenda is here Jul 08 08:09:41 and nobody complain about it Jul 08 08:09:52 heh Jul 08 08:09:56 so we can suppose that all people agrees ;) Jul 08 08:10:14 (you get my email regarding Peter's proposed possible topic?) Jul 08 08:10:58 joanie, hmmm Jul 08 08:11:02 * API reading now Jul 08 08:12:54 ok, so korn proposed a item about Qt and Meego Jul 08 08:13:16 jpwhiting is not here to ask him ;) Jul 08 08:14:09 joanie, I'm not against it, although not sure which people could talk about it from the current list of attendees Jul 08 08:14:18 Right Jul 08 08:14:33 my experience with Meego is with Maemo Jul 08 08:14:36 But peter said 'if the Qt/TollTech/Nokia guys were to appear' Jul 08 08:14:38 and related with Hildon Jul 08 08:14:53 I figured that they would be the ones to talk about it?? Jul 08 08:15:12 My question is more around which of the attendees would be interested in that? Jul 08 08:15:24 Perhaps we should talk more about this later(??) Jul 08 08:15:42 well, I have been working on a11y at maemo, hildon-gtk => hail-gail Jul 08 08:15:58 so I would be interested in hear them Jul 08 08:16:05 about plans in Meego Jul 08 08:16:31 hmmm, and after all, I have just remember that clutter is also a meego technology :P Jul 08 08:16:50 Ok.... Then I guess we should figure out where to put it on the schedule. Jul 08 08:17:49 joanie, although as you have already said, 'if the Qt/TollTech/Nokia guys were to appear' Jul 08 08:18:03 we need these people to appear Jul 08 08:18:06 Well, it's the same thing as with Shaun Jul 08 08:18:15 we could ask jpwhiting Jul 08 08:18:24 joanie, the same thing as with Shaun? Jul 08 08:18:42 If Shaun doesn't come, documentation day is kinda shot. Jul 08 08:18:59 And Shaun needs funding, etc. He's not yet committed to coming. Jul 08 08:19:27 joanie, ah ok Jul 08 08:19:40 Let's talk more about this later. (Full agenda, etc.) Jul 08 08:20:13 ok, funding Jul 08 08:20:24 fer didn't say nothing Jul 08 08:20:40 so I suppose that CENATIC help is still "work in progress" Jul 08 08:20:46 * raywang has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) Jul 08 08:20:48 anyway as peter korn said last week Jul 08 08:21:03 we need to get in contact with foundation soon Jul 08 08:21:13 Indeed Jul 08 08:21:26 Bryen, if you are here, have you tried another funding options? Jul 08 08:23:14 * dani (~dexem@167.108.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #a11y Jul 08 08:25:56 well it seems that Bryen is not here ;) Jul 08 08:26:01 BTW: people Jul 08 08:26:24 * API wonders if there are a broadcast warning Jul 08 08:26:44 remember that Bryen sent a mail about the quarter report Jul 08 08:27:02 write down what you have done about a11y the last three months Jul 08 08:27:14 I suppose apr-may-jun Jul 08 08:27:17 and send him Jul 08 08:28:03 * raywang (~raywang@emperor.canonical.com) has joined #a11y Jul 08 08:28:50 well, going again with the funding thing Jul 08 08:29:10 we are approaching a limit Jul 08 08:29:22 were we need to get in contact with foundation Jul 08 08:29:37 and then we could search for alternative funding sources Jul 08 08:29:43 +1 Jul 08 08:29:55 so..., I think that we would need to get in contact with foundation soon Jul 08 08:30:14 using attendees and 'hope to attend' Jul 08 08:30:23 tables on http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010 Jul 08 08:31:27 and going on with AEGIS Jul 08 08:31:29 next item is Jul 08 08:31:35 "Other updates " Jul 08 08:31:50 ;) Jul 08 08:31:51 (Don't think there are any) Jul 08 08:32:09 ok, lets move to next poing Jul 08 08:32:15 s/poing/point Jul 08 08:32:25 HFOSS/OUTREACH Jul 08 08:32:54 well, joanie included here news about CSUN Jul 08 08:33:14 foundation has confirmed that will pay the booth Jul 08 08:33:41 eeejay, did anyone from foundation put in contact with you? Jul 08 08:35:28 * joanie wonders if API, TheMuso, and she are the only three actually here Jul 08 08:35:38 I'm also here Jul 08 08:35:42 msanchez, is also here Jul 08 08:35:43 * dani is now known as dexem Jul 08 08:35:56 I'm here Jul 08 08:36:05 in fact, I can hit him with a stick, is just two meters away Jul 08 08:36:29 API please don't beat msanchez (until all the WebKitGtk bugs are fixed) Jul 08 08:36:52 about eeejay he seems a little bit away... even by mail (I sent him a ping a couple of days ago :P) Jul 08 08:37:18 * sshaw has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) Jul 08 08:37:31 well, we can conclude that point as Jul 08 08:37:43 foundation will pay CSUN 2011 booth Jul 08 08:37:56 foundation people will try to get in contact with eeejay Jul 08 08:38:16 I hope they would have more lucky than you, dexem Jul 08 08:38:31 :) Jul 08 08:38:54 next point Jul 08 08:38:57 gnome 3.0 status Jul 08 08:39:44 remember people Jul 08 08:39:46 update Jul 08 08:39:51 http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3 Jul 08 08:40:09 joanie, added a mini-item about evince status Jul 08 08:40:34 Yeah, who exactly is doing that work? Jul 08 08:40:50 * API opening evince bug Jul 08 08:41:16 danigm, are you here? Jul 08 08:42:19 API: yep Jul 08 08:42:59 danigm, you are working on evince a11y right now, afaik Jul 08 08:43:10 yes Jul 08 08:43:13 * dpellicer (~dpellicer@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #a11y Jul 08 08:43:37 ok, there are a item about evince Jul 08 08:43:41 in fact, a11y is "working" in evince master Jul 08 08:43:53 http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3#Evince Jul 08 08:43:57 AtkText is implemented Jul 08 08:44:05 it would be awesome if you update that item Jul 08 08:44:17 something like "current status" and "remaining work" Jul 08 08:44:20 just a summary ;) Jul 08 08:44:25 danigm: That's awesome! (You should announce that on the Orca list) Jul 08 08:44:37 Get users testing, etc. Jul 08 08:45:18 danigm, for example, it could be good to change "NO RESOURCES" for something more real Jul 08 08:45:30 * jpwhiting (~jeremy@193.185.223.3) has joined #a11y Jul 08 08:45:30 * joanie chuckles Jul 08 08:46:35 * API have just started a storm, with several thunders Jul 08 08:46:47 ok, lets move to other gnome 3.0 items Jul 08 08:47:04 yesterday I added a point about gsettings Jul 08 08:47:39 right now several apps like orca Jul 08 08:47:47 has started the gsettings migration Jul 08 08:48:13 and probably this will affect the universal access preferences Jul 08 08:49:00 I fear that probably this UI will found a mixed environment Jul 08 08:49:13 and will require to use gconf and gsettings Jul 08 08:49:28 But gconf is out for 3.0, right? Jul 08 08:49:41 So I don't think it *can* find a mixed environment Jul 08 08:50:24 yes it can, but I suppose that it is not the ideal situation Jul 08 08:50:36 the gconf/gsettings migration is a "as best as possible" scenario or is it mandatory? Jul 08 08:50:46 I thought it was mandatory Jul 08 08:50:52 dexem, as best as possible, afaik Jul 08 08:51:36 API: should I change the risk level of evince? Jul 08 08:51:46 API: I imagine it should be, although looking at the gnome 3 schedule, there is a "countdown" of modules with gconf Jul 08 08:51:51 or expected countdown Jul 08 08:52:09 danigm, yes it is a good idea, it was high because nobody was assigned to that task, Jul 08 08:52:21 danigm, I think that medium risk is fine Jul 08 08:52:34 danigm, people assigned but work not finished Jul 08 08:53:19 dexem, and this links to my other comment Jul 08 08:53:25 on the agenda Jul 08 08:53:34 right now the main gconf var Jul 08 08:53:44 "/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility" Jul 08 08:53:55 the one saying if a11yy is enabled Jul 08 08:54:10 are defined in a schema from libgnome Jul 08 08:54:18 * API or was libgnomeui? Jul 08 08:54:23 correct me if I'm wrong Jul 08 08:54:47 and as you know Jul 08 08:54:53 both are deprecated Jul 08 08:55:12 hi, sorry, late Jul 08 08:55:24 so probably this is a good moment to define it as a gsettins var Jul 08 08:55:30 and in other library Jul 08 08:55:48 joanie, you know if there were plans to move that gconf var to other place? Jul 08 08:55:59 I'm not aware of any Jul 08 08:56:08 my limited memory things that I read something about it in the past Jul 08 08:56:10 but not sure Jul 08 08:56:21 It's in the at-spi schema, unless I'm missing something Jul 08 08:56:57 regardless, it needs to be a g_settings variable, though Jul 08 08:57:27 * API checking.... Jul 08 08:57:39 mgorse, btw, you have started the g_setting migration also? Jul 08 08:58:14 mgorse, I have just reviewed at-spi2.schemas.in Jul 08 08:58:20 and vars defined here are Jul 08 08:58:36 schemas/apps/gnome_settings_daemon/gtk-modules/gail:atk-bridge Jul 08 08:58:37 and Jul 08 08:58:44 schemas/desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus Jul 08 08:59:18 one option could add that gconf/g_setting var here Jul 08 08:59:20 after all Jul 08 08:59:29 API: I haven't yet. I ought to work on it this weekend, since 2.31.5 is due Monday Jul 08 08:59:30 without at-spi you don't have a11y support Jul 08 09:01:16 right Jul 08 09:01:30 * API btw mgorse https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28580 Jul 08 09:02:08 ok, well, as we are out of time Jul 08 09:02:13 we can conclude this point as Jul 08 09:02:32 "probably at-spi is a good place to put it, further investigation is required" Jul 08 09:02:50 so, anyone want to share a final thought before officially Jul 08 09:02:57 concluding the a11y meeting? Jul 08 09:03:04 I do, actually Jul 08 09:03:13 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591258 Jul 08 09:03:25 And maybe I should just add that to my list Jul 08 09:03:49 But when people come to the gnome-accessibility-list and ask for our opinion on the accessibility of a change.... Jul 08 09:03:58 And we totally do not respond, it's kinda sucky Jul 08 09:04:03 And I've not seen anyone respond Jul 08 09:04:53 joanie, yes indeed, .... well, I have take a brief look on the bug, but Jul 08 09:05:21 I havent test it, although I didn't realize any a11y related issue Jul 08 09:06:05 API do you have time to take a closer look? Jul 08 09:06:11 Or should I add it to my list? Jul 08 09:07:31 joanie, well, it seems that what it is required Jul 08 09:07:35 is apply the patch Jul 08 09:07:44 and test it with Orca, or other a11y tool Jul 08 09:07:45 right? Jul 08 09:07:47 I know that Jul 08 09:07:57 DayJob, Orca, etc., etc. Jul 08 09:08:01 I'll add it to my list Jul 08 09:09:15 joanie, ok thanks, try to avoid that universe becoming a subset of your list Jul 08 09:09:35 That's what I was trying to do ;-) Jul 08 09:13:38 ok, lets conclude the meeting now Jul 08 09:13:48 as we are *really* out of time Jul 08 09:13:58 anyway, if the people are interested Jul 08 09:14:13 * yev|away is now known as yevlempy Jul 08 09:14:18 now a parallel topic Jul 08 09:14:36 dexem, wants to talks about current caribou status Jul 08 09:14:38 dexem, ? Jul 08 09:14:48 hi Jul 08 09:14:57 just a small status update Jul 08 09:15:33 dpellicer and me have been doing some work for caribou during the last weeks Jul 08 09:16:04 I'm now trying to integrate those changes and uploading them as patches to bugzilla Jul 08 09:16:35 We would do it directly to different branches on git, but I asked for an account some time ago Jul 08 09:16:45 and I haven't received a response yet :P Jul 08 09:17:03 Some time ago == how long ago? Jul 08 09:17:17 I was checking it to be accurate Jul 08 09:17:23 but like two weeks ago Jul 08 09:17:26 if not three :P Jul 08 09:17:31 dexem, well, as I already said to you, sometimes there are a big delay on their answer Jul 08 09:17:37 official time is 2 to 4 weeks Jul 08 09:17:45 you can try to make a gently ping Jul 08 09:18:17 dexem: Alternatively, who is vouching for you? eeejay? Jul 08 09:18:59 uhm, I said that I was going to work on caribou, so I suppose he is Jul 08 09:19:12 and also I added some other names from GNOME Hispano Jul 08 09:19:23 who surely would vouch for me as well Jul 08 09:19:54 The reason I ask is that if an existing module maintainer pings the accounts team saying that they really need you to have git access, it might speed things up Jul 08 09:20:18 anyway, now I first need some time to extract those patches Jul 08 09:20:19 Since this is caribou-related, maybe eeejay can send such a message? Jul 08 09:20:26 joanie: ok Jul 08 09:20:35 yes I think he could Jul 08 09:20:43 I'll try to ping him again Jul 08 09:20:56 I did it on tuesday, because caribou missed the last release Jul 08 09:21:08 ugh Jul 08 09:21:13 and maybe he wants help also for make the tarballs or something Jul 08 09:21:53 I think it would be in high risk if it misses a second one :P Jul 08 09:22:14 it's certainly not looked upon favorably Jul 08 09:24:15 well, that's mostly the big picture Jul 08 09:28:56 ok dexem thanks for the update Jul 08 09:29:26 * jpwhiting has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jul 08 09:34:00 * andre (~andre@dslb-092-076-132-102.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #a11y Jul 08 09:51:53 * Disconnected (Invalid argument). **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 8 09:51:53 2010