May 27 08:07:34 * Now talking on #a11y May 27 08:07:34 * Topic for #a11y is: Visit us at http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility | New weekly meeting times to be announced soon | See our latest meeting summary at http://bit.ly/ctMqVI | Follow us on Twitter: @gnome_a11y | Subscribe to our mailing list at http://is.gd/bmcWR May 27 08:07:34 * Topic for #a11y set by Bryen at Sat Apr 10 00:34:07 2010 May 27 08:07:35 * morbo gives channel operator status to API May 27 08:07:43 yay! May 27 08:07:50 fashionably late API? May 27 08:08:18 Hi gang, API. I was hoping to comment a bit on one item on API's suggested agenda (the AEGIS conference), and then trundle off to bed. Mind if we move that to the head of the agenda? May 27 08:08:29 yeah sorry May 27 08:09:16 korn: go for it May 27 08:09:23 S'ok... May 27 08:10:03 I'm guessing you all know about the AEGIS conference we're putting together for the first week of October in Seville... (see http://www.aegis-project.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=9&Itemid=26 for details) May 27 08:10:23 * sshaw (~decriptor@53.250.sfcn.org) has joined #a11y May 27 08:10:24 * morbo gives channel operator status to sshaw May 27 08:10:50 We're hoping to have a significant GNOME presence there - what with GNOME being used in all K-12 schools in Andalusia (the region of Spain in which you find Seville). May 27 08:11:11 We're also looking into holding a GNOME Accessibility Hackfest there. After all, why should California & CSUN get all the fun? May 27 08:12:14 So I wanted to let folks know that we have secured space for a hackfest, and to answer any questions May 27 08:12:59 Oh, also... the conference paper abstract submission deadline has been extended again, to May 28, and we're getting more and good submissions from Spain and about GNOME a11y. May 27 08:13:33 So it's right before the boston summit, P resume. May 27 08:13:35 Spain is really active May 27 08:13:44 So.... questions, comments, thoughts? May 27 08:13:45 mgorse: not sure at this point May 27 08:13:46 I presume May 27 08:13:57 Boston summit seems to be slightly up in the air date-wise. May 27 08:14:05 Korn: glad you have space May 27 08:14:06 I'm seeing discussion of moving it to early November this time around. May 27 08:14:20 we should try to do some hacking this time - though planning was important at CSUN May 27 08:14:22 oh; didn't know that May 27 08:14:35 slee: +1 May 27 08:15:01 * jrocha (~JRocha@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) has joined #a11y May 27 08:15:09 As I've said (repeatedly) this will be a couple of weeks after the big 3.0 release. We'll have bugs. Count on it. May 27 08:15:44 Things aren't fully final yet as far as spaces go, but I expct we can have our own room for at least two full days - Monday & Tuesday October 1st & 2nd. Unfortunately this University is closed Sundays and Saturday afternoons (where afternoon = after 14:00). May 27 08:15:48 bugs? surely not :-P May 27 08:16:15 korn: I'm wondering if it would be worth creating something on live.gnome.org so that we can start penciling things in? May 27 08:16:25 * API mgorse, http://www.j5live.com/2010/05/19/preparing-for-the-gnome-boston-summit-foundation-memebers-input-request/ May 27 08:16:25 I expect folks will be interested in attending conference sessions Thursday & Friday, and perhaps also at least part of the user forum in the afternoon. May 27 08:16:29 Joanie: good idea. May 27 08:16:37 I'll start that page... May 27 08:16:40 joanie: yes May 27 08:17:06 Hmmm... we already have a "Hackfest2010" on the wiki. May 27 08:17:08 morning May 27 08:17:14 morning jrocha May 27 08:17:16 Should this be "HackfestSpain", or "HackfestAEGIS", or...? May 27 08:17:36 something in Spanish :-) May 27 08:17:48 korn, it would be good to also add the year May 27 08:17:58 you know if AEGIS conference will be anual May 27 08:17:59 ? May 27 08:18:01 Hmm.... Not a language I studied, and my Spinglish would be a poor thing to rely on. May 27 08:18:03 the country? May 27 08:18:17 Actually, AEGIS will be annual. We'll have a second AEGIS conference in 2011. May 27 08:18:29 S'OK. HackfestAEGIS2010 May 27 08:18:44 korn, but I suppose that the country will rotate, ala GUADEC, right? May 27 08:18:54 API: yes indeed. May 27 08:18:57 October 1 will be a Thursday, unless I'm just sleep-deprived May 27 08:19:16 here some spanglish, folks: AEGIS Hackfesteros 2010 May 27 08:19:17 :D May 27 08:19:29 +1 jrocha :-) May 27 08:20:08 * jrocha is thinking that because he's not Spanish he might end up getting a beating from API May 27 08:20:12 I need a logo, involving a foot, a white cane, and tapas May 27 08:20:15 jrocha, stop making fun of spanglish, you portuguese! :P May 27 08:20:18 hehe May 27 08:20:45 korn: sangria? May 27 08:20:55 slee: yes, of course. May 27 08:20:57 API, it's not making fun. It's practicing The Art of the Spanglish May 27 08:21:16 well, ok, we can decide it later ;) May 27 08:21:23 HackfestAEGIS2010 seems fine May 27 08:21:36 korn, so right now we have the space May 27 08:21:48 next steps? May 27 08:21:52 Next come the people and the draft agenda May 27 08:21:58 so here's the thing about Spain guys, it is made by different regions with their own languages and culture, so, I'd not use any sangria or bulls on the logo May 27 08:22:09 I have a feeling at least two other folks in this IRC channel will be attending... May 27 08:22:12 maybe a "sun" would just do it :D May 27 08:22:16 eeejay, has more of experience with that, probably he can give some hints May 27 08:22:25 like "gnome hackfests for dummies" May 27 08:22:32 korn - I want to but unsure of my work situation/funding May 27 08:22:36 (jrocha: or an "oracle") May 27 08:22:59 joanie, see.. that's why I put the quotes and didn't capitalize the S May 27 08:23:01 :D May 27 08:23:13 * raywang has quit (Leaving) May 27 08:23:24 korn: what two other folks? May 27 08:23:56 Well... I was kinda hoping you might be coming... :-) May 27 08:24:17 korn: Yes, I understand I'm invited. Didn't think you meant me. :-) The other? May 27 08:24:26 joanie, jonie, jonie May 27 08:24:27 And well, given that Igalia is in Spain and all... May 27 08:24:47 So API and jrocha May 27 08:25:12 I was hoping we might convince one or two of those folks to make the long and arduous treck. May 27 08:25:38 korn: if mgorse can get funding that would be great (assuming you want to go mike) May 27 08:26:01 ditto on Li (who emailed me to say he's having network problems) May 27 08:26:43 My fear is that as awesome as AT-SPI2 will be, we'll find the occasional glitch with it plus Orca and I'd love to fix things while we're all in the same room May 27 08:27:25 and clown/dr. joseph for magnification May 27 08:27:46 API gnome-shell + Orca will already be perfect, right? ;-) May 27 08:28:08 define perfect :P May 27 08:28:12 I expect we'll have some ATRC friends there. May 27 08:28:17 yay! May 27 08:28:22 The other thing I expect we'll have are AEGIS hackers. May 27 08:28:46 korn: who are? (in particular) May 27 08:29:11 So I want to specifically look to make progress on accessibility testing, and look at doing fun things with OpenGazer, and perhaps TTS, in addition to GNOME 3 fixes. May 27 08:29:23 joanie: not sure yet who of their staff will be attending. May 27 08:29:44 * joanie has to remember the world is not just Orca May 27 08:30:30 well, it sounds awesome korn. I guess we just need to start penciling in the details(?) May 27 08:30:53 * sshaw has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) May 27 08:30:59 Yup. May 27 08:31:01 (so perhaps a general announcement on the gnome a11y list?) May 27 08:31:04 I'll have a first edition of the page up soon. May 27 08:31:11 awesomesauce May 27 08:31:24 great May 27 08:31:31 One question: do we want to do some last checking in with Stormy about funding and all before we pull the trigger on gnome-a11y? May 27 08:31:46 or the other way around? May 27 08:32:07 Yah. Remind me how we did this for CSUN? May 27 08:32:12 going to stormy with a "we've got this vague sorta hackfest thing...." might be less attractive than something concrete. May 27 08:32:13 korn, you know if Flavio will attend this hackfest? you mentioned a kind of opengazer-mousetrap meeting in the conference, in one of the hundreds mails I received May 27 08:32:16 Did we simply ask for forgiveness last time? May 27 08:32:44 Dunno API. But I'd very much like to see that happen in particular. May 27 08:32:49 i think eeejay did it properly. So this time we can ask for forgiveness ;-) May 27 08:33:01 Oh, also... I'm talking with the VEDICS folks, and I hope to see at least one of them there. May 27 08:34:17 * FlaPer87 (~FlaPer87@83-103-19-90.ip.fastwebnet.it) has joined #a11y May 27 08:34:18 * morbo gives channel operator status to FlaPer87 May 27 08:34:24 speak of the devil May 27 08:34:28 yeah May 27 08:34:39 Hey FlaPer87 - wanna go to Seville? May 27 08:34:40 FlaPer87, korn, you know if Flavio will attend this hackfest? you mentioned a kind of opengazer-mousetrap meeting in the conference, in one of the hundreds mails I received May 27 08:35:47 * Fudge (~TheFudge@220.253-218-253.TAS.netspace.net.au) has joined #a11y May 27 08:36:45 FlaPer87: is probably getting coffee :-) May 27 08:37:48 OK. May 27 08:38:13 well, something else? we can move to other point? May 27 08:38:37 Please g'head on to other things. May 27 08:40:00 ok, outreach for example May 27 08:40:05 slee, any new May 27 08:40:07 ? May 27 08:40:12 it seems that Bryen is not here May 27 08:40:54 API: nothing on Outreach. We need to come up with a list of difficulties people find getting engaged May 27 08:41:02 I'll post an email May 27 08:41:40 I've been asked to present paper at AEGIS and might work something up on the subject May 27 08:41:58 ok, May 27 08:42:00 hmm May 27 08:42:17 as Bryen is not here I'm not sure if it makes sense to try to talk about HFOSS May 27 08:42:51 well, while we wait, just a brief comment May 27 08:43:12 yesterday jjardon were asking here about at-spi2 and apps thatwould May 27 08:43:19 require changes due it May 27 08:43:35 i pointed him the gnome 3 live page May 27 08:43:38 http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3 May 27 08:43:56 but he also thought that would be good track these in the bugzilla May 27 08:44:35 he created this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619734 May 27 08:44:53 OK - the first cut at the page is up. See http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/HackfestAEGIS2010 May 27 08:45:18 I did something wrong with the picture, and other info is still a lot of it TBD. May 27 08:45:45 korn: thanks for doing that May 27 08:45:52 korn, awesome May 27 08:46:08 I need to go to sleep (meeing in < 7 hours). Can someone help clean up the page a bit (the image didn't come over)? May 27 08:47:04 korn: since no one else is jumping in, I'll take a look May 27 08:47:16 thanks. g'nite all! May 27 08:47:17 korn, weel we need another image, the one I have mentions california, who created csun hackfest logo? May 27 08:47:20 korn looks good May 27 08:47:20 nite May 27 08:47:27 hnite May 27 08:47:32 *gnite May 27 08:48:21 korn: where's the image you want to use? May 27 08:50:28 hmm, well, it seems that korn is already gone May 27 08:50:28 oh well. moving on? May 27 08:50:46 10 minutes left, no HFOSS May 27 08:50:54 people here, AFAIK May 27 08:51:27 so, the other point would be our gnome 3 list May 27 08:51:48 joanie, how about the regression tests with at-spi2? May 27 08:52:10 probably you were really busy these days with other things, but just to know the current state May 27 08:52:11 API: haven't tried yet myself. mgorse was using them May 27 08:52:29 mgorse, anything to comment? May 27 08:52:54 Last time I tried, some of them were passing and some weren't. I haven't investigated lately. May 27 08:53:23 ok, thanks May 27 08:53:26 mgorse: you and i both suck We should prioritize this especially since you're moving jhbuild over to the new stuff May 27 08:53:29 Ie, with role_push_button.py, 3 passed and 1 failed May 27 08:53:48 mgorse: let's chat more at a civilized (for us) hour May 27 08:54:20 ok May 27 08:54:32 TheMuso, any new about opentts? May 27 08:54:50 as far as I remember you proposed it as a external dependency for gnome 3.0 May 27 08:54:59 ah crap, sorry guys, totally forgot about the meeting. May 27 08:55:12 * joanie wonders if external dependencies have been finalized yet? May 27 08:55:23 API: As for opentts, we are currently in freeze, with everything that goes into the repo examined and checked, as only doc updates and critical bug fixes go in. May 27 08:55:32 joanie: Haven't seen anything on the gnome-desktop-devel list. May 27 08:55:45 OpenTTS will likely have a first release some time next week. May 27 08:56:08 API: TheMuso: the other (relevant) announcement is that Steve Holmes (Orca user) has created initial support in Orca for OpenTTS May 27 08:56:19 Yep I am aware of that. May 27 08:56:23 it was committed into master yesterday May 27 08:56:40 TheMuso, I think that it could be good idea update May 27 08:56:42 http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3#gnome-speech_.28drop_for_GNOME3.2C_supplant_with_SpeechDispatcher_or_SpeechDispatcher_fork.29 May 27 08:56:55 +1 May 27 08:57:17 API: I don't have an account on the wiki yet actually. :) May 27 08:57:24 I should really see to that. May 27 08:57:28 :P May 27 08:57:36 TheMuso: takes like 5 minutes to get one May 27 08:57:38 it is not really hard, as far as I remember May 27 08:57:47 joanie: I know, I just haven't had a reason to do so yet. May 27 08:58:24 well, now you have a reason ;) May 27 08:58:24 * rmunoz (~rmunoz@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #a11y May 27 08:58:30 ok, just 2 minutes left May 27 08:58:38 KeWang, anything new from your side? May 27 09:00:05 hi, API May 27 09:00:21 I'm working on a headache bug of JAW... May 27 09:00:38 * joanie wonders which bug? May 27 09:02:12 * jrocha has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) May 27 09:02:16 joanie, look at this https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=15964 May 27 09:02:53 KeWang: yup. I ran across that one. Thought it was similar to my jcontrol issue. Guess not :-( May 27 09:03:22 KeWang: though the error is the same. May 27 09:03:51 Since JRE's last update, the trick JAW used to avoid X conflict no longer works May 27 09:05:27 joanie, yes, the two bugs are similar. May 27 09:06:27 * SJ has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) May 27 09:06:42 well, folks its 9:05, I think that we can conclude that the meeting is over